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 Post subject: Re: WHAT TOLKIEN MIGHT HAVE CHANGED IN LIGHT OF THE MOVIE
PostPosted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 7:22 am 
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Yes, dearest Eldorion, but does it have "thematic" value?

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Hark, Eldorion and I concur on the Bombadil sequence :lol: .

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 Post subject: Re: WHAT TOLKIEN MIGHT HAVE CHANGED IN LIGHT OF THE MOVIE
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My question remains: Is there any real "thematic value" in the Tom Bombadil section? PJ didn't seem to think there was.

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 Post subject: Re: WHAT TOLKIEN MIGHT HAVE CHANGED IN LIGHT OF THE MOVIE
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Well, it really all depends doesn't it? I mean there are any number of themes woven into LotR from Nature to War to Religious themes and more. And they all have some intrinsic value. The real question is not it's thematic value, but it's Plot value.

The Bombadil scene doesn't advance the plot, it's a lovely digression that is just fine in print which we can read at our own leisure. But in a film with time and budget constraints, it's clearly one of the first scenes that can be cut without damaging the plot. And PJ was thoughtful enough to at least give it a nod by having Old Man Willow visiting his Fangorn cousins (as I've mentioned previously ;) ).

Of course I wouldn't for a minute suggest that Tolkien cut the scene from his book.

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 Post subject: Re: WHAT TOLKIEN MIGHT HAVE CHANGED IN LIGHT OF THE MOVIE
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Odo Banks wrote:
My question remains: Is there any real "thematic value" in the Tom Bombadil section?


Eldorion wrote:
I think that it shows just how out of their league the hobbits are at that point and sets the groundwork for them to grow and develop over the rest of the book.


In other words the Bombadil, et. al sequence illustrates the theme of loosing innocence (the Shire) as the Hobbits are thrust headfirst into strange and dangerous places (the Old Forest and the Barrow-downs) and also sets the stage for the theme of the Hobbits coming into their own (culminating in the Scouring of the Shire). That's how I see it at least.

This was done differently in the films of course (though I'm still a stickler for the Scouring) and Bree was made into the first dark and dangerous place (a mistake in my mind, though Weathertop also served that purpose). I like the book the way it is, I just don't think that part would necessarily work on film.

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 Post subject: Re: WHAT TOLKIEN MIGHT HAVE CHANGED IN LIGHT OF THE MOVIE
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Gandalfs Beard wrote:
Hark, Eldorion and I concur on the Bombadil sequence :lol: .


We agree on something about adaptations? What's the world coming to these days? :P

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Eldorion, you might regret saying you agree with GB on anything about 'adaptations', but I'll say no more... and you didn't hear it from me! Okay! ;)

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I just want to register how much I love your new Avatar Eldorion :D .

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It certainly catches the eye. Is he being nasty, laughing or just giving an evil look? I'm not good on cat personalities (or expressions!)

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Thanks GB! :mrgreen: Odo, I think he's just excited, on the far left side you can sort of see some money being offered to the cat (it was mostly cropped out though).

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