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 Post subject: Re: WHAT TOLKIEN MIGHT HAVE CHANGED IN LIGHT OF THE MOVIE
PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:40 am 
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I never thought of that until Eldorion seemed to take umbrage a little... Mind you, this is no citicism of Eldorion.


I'm glad it's not criticism, but I do apologize if I was too assertive earlier. I didn't think I was, though the quote (in fact all of Letter 210) is rather strongly worded. That's sort of the point though: it illustrates Tolkien's feelings on the matter.

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I respect her because she is always on the look out for Tolkien Heathens.


...I'm a guy.

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And it might be people like me she needs to be most wary of; what with me worming my way into discussions, a simple hobbit fom Rushock Bog (but you can't know that!), saying un-Purist things at times. Hey! I understand her fears. After all, I purport to be something of a Purist myself, but then I go off and join with all you suggesters-that-change-is-sometimes-okay type people. For me this cavorting is just an intelllectual adventure (promise!), but nonetheless I 'am' consorting with the enemy! I can see my behavior would make any true Purist suspicious! You see, it's easier with you GB, you're Heathenism is more out in the open and therefore easier to combat.


I think everyone agrees that change is sometimes necessary; the good debating is about how much change is necessary and for what purposes. I take a fairly minimalist stance on the matter, advocating change only when necessary to adapt the story to a new medium. Others of course advocate or at least accept change for many other reasons. I'm not as partisan as some I've seen though and I think it's great to have people like you, Odo, who flit back and forth between sides and challenge the ideas and assumptions of both. It makes things much more interesting and brings a perspective we wouldn't necessarily have any other way. :)

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 Post subject: Re: WHAT TOLKIEN MIGHT HAVE CHANGED IN LIGHT OF THE MOVIE
PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 4:45 am 
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By the way, classifying non-purists as "Tolkien Heathens" really cracked me up. :lol: Not that I mean to offend anyone of course, I'm just amused.

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 Post subject: Re: WHAT TOLKIEN MIGHT HAVE CHANGED IN LIGHT OF THE MOVIE
PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 5:39 am 
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Sorry Eldorion about the gender issue. Somewhere or other a while back I thought you made some reference that it might be wrong to assume you were a guy. It's probably just my poor memory, mixed with the difficulty I have separating imagination from reality, that lies at the heart of this problem. (I take no personal responsibility, of course, it's this bloomin' brain of mine - it has a mind of its own!)

As to mentioning Tolkien Heathens. I coined that term especially to taunt GB. Yes, I'm a big bully. And when I say "big" bully, I don't refer to my "expanding" tummy! That's just middle age!

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 Post subject: Re: WHAT TOLKIEN MIGHT HAVE CHANGED IN LIGHT OF THE MOVIE
PostPosted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 6:31 am 
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No problem Odo, I've had far worse mix-ups myself. :lol:

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Yes, if I may say so, you do seem a little confused. I thought it was me who was confused, but since my conversion to Tolkien Fundamentalism, I realize I'm not confused at all... It's you Tolkien Purists that are confused. I only recently found out that another name for 'Tolkien Purist' is 'Tolkien Liberal'. Eek! (Or was that: 'Tolkien Heathen'? Same thing probably).

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I'm afraid I'm definitely confused now. Could you please explain what a Tolkien Fundamentalist is, how they are different from purists, and why purists are closet Heathens?

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I may be preaching to ears that do not hear here, Eldorion, but I'll try.

A Tolkien Fundamentalist believes nothig should be added or taken out, altered or revised from LOTR. This may make any Adaptation quite tricky - but we Tolkien Fundamentalists don't allow logic to sway us from our Mission. We're superficially like Purists, but are far more Spiritual.

Oh and I only know one Purist who is a closet Heathen. I just assume one in all in. It's a kind of bigotry on my part, I guess; but we Tolkien Fundamentalists don't mind a bit of bigotry - as long as we're giving and not getting.

Does that help?

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Odo Banks wrote:
Does that help?


I think it might a bit.... :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: WHAT TOLKIEN MIGHT HAVE CHANGED IN LIGHT OF THE MOVIE
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You know guys, I just don't think there are enough Tolkien Fundamentalist Schools around... Maybe I should look into it.

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