Ayup Palo...
WHO said... ? Barrow Wights sound Awesome too ! some good old First/Second Age Baddies !
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What are you most looking forward to seeing in the Hobbit?
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This thread is like a trap door into the Dark Side!
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Ayup Jason...
But the Dark Side can be so GOOD can't it ?
We need a Thread Like 'Room 101' where we can put all the absurd, Bizarre and STUPID ideas and Changes we think PJ could/would/might put into this Movie, so that when we re-read it, we Pee ourselves Laughing, and thank Eru that he didn't ! LOL.
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heck some of us will probably pee ourselves when we actually SEE the changes PJ makes to the hobbit...
well either that or Vomit
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Sorry if this is driving you up the wall Kendalf!
However, as you stated on another topic, Sauron isn't introducing himself as Mr N. Ecromancer to his neighbours along with baking them a cake, the title has instead been given to him for a reason. The fact that it's used by the wise & powerful like Gandalf suggests that he's earned the title of necromancer & we know we'll be seeing an "interpretation" of why. I'm hoping along with many others that the Goblins aren't gathering to him & all under his control (which I don't think they will be), so his agents are gonna be something new to us. Apologies again if our wild guesses are scaring the heebie jeebies out of anyone...
I'm planning on having a good read through of Unfinished Tales soon, then maybe some Appendixes. It may/will take me some time but refreshing my memory may push me more in your direction of dread of any change, but I'm generally of a mind as long as it's well done & doesn't completely perverse the original text, then I should be entertained.
BTW, I have Transformers 2 on in the background on Film 4. Now that shows how taking a loved source & ruining it completely can happen quite easily, so I think we should thank our lucky stars that Hollywood isn't behind these films as PJ has done a great job in comparison to a lot of the tripe that is bandying around as entertainment these days!!!!
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Michael Bay should be taken out and executed for the Transformers movies 1 was ok and 3 was ok but 2 was bottom of the barrel i've seen direct to DVD movies that were better than that one LOL
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Palo - I think I'm right in saying that, with all this talk of fire-bolts and zombie-orcs, it's pettytyrant you think you may be driving up the wall! It was him, also, who pointed out, quite correctly, that "Necromancer" isn't a name, it's a title.
To steer this thread back on course (!), I'd like to state that I'm actually (but cautiously) looking forward to seeing how they portray Sauron and his woodland lair. It's a really, really tricky issue. They can't (shouldn't) have a humanoid body and they'll avoid (I suspect) a giant flaming eye. So what will he be?
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thing was Sauron was in hiding and was not using his true name in Mirkwood. only being know as THE Necromancer at that point in time it wasn't till 10 years after the white council ousted him from Mirkwood and he was in Mordor that he openly declared himself back using the name Sauron. So to be spreading the name Sauron would just be out of context with the story since he was hiding trying to rebuild his power...
I think they might try some swirling type of mist almost like a ghost but no real particular shape to him. might actually tie him to the ring world that Jackson made in LOTR. since the ring obviously from Bilbo's perspective had no visual effects (at least by the book) it would tie in the swirling ring world that Frodo seen. I mean the necromancer wouldn't be that visible but something faint along similar lines would be cool and since DolGuldur will likely be dark settings it would work well I think
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Ayup Todd..
Then I hope Sauron doesn't end up as'The Mummy' (Arnold Vosloo) is portrayed as a Giant wall of sand-or-water-Face...
*is Violently Sick*
All the talk Jason or Anyone, BTW, of Fire-Bolts and Zombie Orcs is all Tongue-in-cheek of course, just for a bit of Fun.
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Stu shouldnt it be the Light Side though?, I think the Darkside is purist territory really. When I think of the Necromancer its always as someone who uses the dark Arts rather than brute force, that with the fact Cumberwatsit is doing just the voice, I imagine the dark swirly smoke effect the Death Eaters use in HP, you know to move about at speed, with his little friends the wraiths in attendance. I also see him using voice tricks/hypnotism like Saruman to confuse his enemies, i think he could probably make people trip out and see things, maybe thats why Thrain is bonkers and attacks Gandalf?
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Ayup Julia...
Yes !
Always Look on the (Br) Light side of Life... *whistle* *whistle, whistle whistle*
Those effects sound good to me. Trouble IS, Sauron ALWAYS sounded like a solid, Corporeal Being to me, not just 'The Eye'. That was his way of looking around. It's just that after Numenor, he couldn't assume a 'Fair' form anymore. And that was lost in the Trilogy, I think. 'Twould be nice to think that it is he giving Gandy a Good Hiding for once... One for the Baddies ! LOL.
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I think he can probably appear to people as they imagine him, like the Boggart also in HP. but what confuses me more is Gandalf, how can he be climbing trees to escape wargs, little more than nastier wolves, in TH and killing Balrogs, quite a lot nastier than wolves, in LOTR? It seems there is a vast gulf between the power of TH Gandalf and LOTR Gandalf? plus in ROTK he says to Aragorn, Lego and Gimli, that there is not a weapon in ME that could hurt him save Sauron himself, so he goes from scaredy pants tree shinner to indestructable shiny glowy full on hero, who then gets his staff broken, whats going on?
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I don't see any discrepency there Julia. In TH Gandalf uses magic to set fires, for flashes of lightening and to burn wargs- in LotR's he uses magic to set fires (Caradhras), flashes of lightening (Wormtongue), to close a door (Moria) to make light, and to break a bridge just enough so that the weight of the Balrog would collapse it.
None of it is particularly flashy or a huge show of power. Its not like he defeats the Balrog in a magical duel, he just outwits it.Posted 4 months ago # -
er he doesnt just outwit the Balrog, he fights it falling through the mountain into the depths of the Earth he fights it with fire and ice if I remember rightly, and then he throws the Balrog down from the mountain to its doom, he then goes out of time and space to be healed by some misterious force and comes back as Gandalf the White, pretty epic battle I would say, which is a bit different to shinning up a tree and setting fur on fire with sparkles.
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"Long I fell, and he fell with me. His fire was about me. I was burned. Then we plunged into the deep water and all was dark. Cold it was as the tide of the death: almost it froze my heart...His fire was quenched, but now he was a thing of slime, stronger then the strangling snake. We fought...ever he clutched me, and ever I hewed him, till at last he fled into dark tunnels.....There upon Celebdil was a lonely window..out he sprang and even as I cam e behind him he burst into new flame. There wer enone to see, or perhaps in after ages songs would still be sung of the Battle of the Peak...the mountain was crowned with storm.Thunder they heard, and lightening, they said, smote upon Celbdil, and leaped back broken into tongue sof fire. Is not that enough?'
So whilst in PJ's version in the fall Gandalf zooms through the air and leaps and fight sall the way down, in the book he just falls and gets burned the whoel way down. When they fight for the first time, under the ground Gandalf hews him but there is no mention of magic at all.
Its not until the final desperate life or death struggle on the peak Gandalf unleashes all his magic. Presumably everything he's got in the tank as it were- and the magic he produces is lightening again- his stable all the way back to TH. Yeah its more powerful, but so is the opponent and the situation much more desperate. But its still in line and in keeping with the magic of Gandalf all the way back to TH and the flash in the goblin cave.Posted 4 months ago # -
Stu definitely not on that scale (as in the mummy) more of slight whisps of smoke where you can see a face or shape but nothing consistent except a faint voice that has similar qualities as PJ's ring world... nothing over the top like the mummy but very subtle (which I know is not PJ's style but one can hope)
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Julia - "I think he can probably appear to people as they imagine him"
I like this a lot. Sauron manifests himself as a hideous hallucination formed from your deepest fears and regrets...Actually, the more I think of it, I don't quite see why he'd need to appear on screen at any point ("physically", in front our actual eyes) and so this sort of psychadelic, bad-trip type manifestation might work nicely.
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well back on topic. what I am looking forward to seeing...
Mostly I am looking forward to seeing Riddles in the dark, been one of my favorite scenes from the book and hopefully will be done right by PJ. I know that scene isn't or shouldn't be particularly long but its just such an iconic scene that I hope its done with at least some reverence to the book.
Also looking forward to the whole scene with Smaug. I really hope PJ and WETA get him right cause I know I am going to be overly critical of him. But just to see him on screen looking real and hearing hopefully the dialogue from the book or something close done perfectly. I want to sit in that theater feeling like "HOLY CRAP!!!"
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My apologies Kendalf, my apologies Tyrant. I'd been up for 17 hours straight at that point & obviously was losing it a bit.
Some really interesting thoughts on here.The more I read & we hypothesis makes me more & more intersted in seeing how the White Council & The Necormancer end up.
No dou bt this will be something kept pretty secret, so it will be one of the few surprises for us all
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I for one am really looking forward to seeing Smaug in his lair. That whole conversation between him and Bilbo.
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I have to agree too that the conversation with Smaug and Bilbo will be the part I wish to see the most. I am quite intrigued how this will differ from the cartoon some, lord, 30 years ago now? I feel so old...
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Palo - No worries and no apology needed :-)
Icthulu - Well, I'm guessing Smaug might not have sideburns...
http://www.ugo.com/movies/rankin-and-bass-the-hobbit
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LOL maybe the dwarves will have flares and dance to Northern Soul.
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I don't know, Kendalf. That might be pretty cool. Maybe a Barry White impersonator can do the voice?
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I wonder how they will handle the arrival to Beorn's house. It could be either quite amusing (with Petty's favourite dwarf related jokes) or, more like in the book, an effort to not frustrate the man-bear too much and therefore be built as a tense meeting.
Think both will be quite good to see, although I am thinking the comical version is most likely.
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I think we can have both, as Tolkien wrote the scene, as it was both comical and with a darker edge of danger, all nicely mixed.
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Goblin king and th gandalf convincing the eagles to fly them all a few blocks.
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