The Hobbit Movie Forum » Hobbit Movie

1. richard cieslik
   Member

   Wow, I step away forum the forum for a bit, and all manner of angry, ranting posts are made, this was such a pleasant forum, why all the bile and vitriol?
   What's worse, a lot of these posts are based on totally unsubstantiated rumours, but that doesn't stop not only the first post, but a whole heated debate about how bad that would be, and PJ being the worst movie director of all time...

   I just re-watched the whole extended blu-ray LOTR trilogy again, and I repeat, it is a masterpiece of film making.

   Yes, you may quibble about some of the choices made, (I won't go into any details here, lest this also degenerate into a rant post!) but the films are brilliant, and any of the decisions made that cause angst amongst one or two of you aren't enough to detract from the achievement.

   The acting, the Shakespearian dialogue, the emotion, the spectacle, the scenes you play over in your mind again and again…

   If PJ is making an awful mess of it (which I doubt), then all the forum rants in the world won’t make a difference to that, he isn’t going to logon, read a post, and think “Oh yeah, I’ll change that, I daren’t upset that pettytyrant bloke.”

   Which after-Oscars party did PJ attend…that’s right, the OneRing, of all the amazing parties he could have gone to, he chose one that LOTR fans hosted. He told them that he made the film for them.

   I see no evidence to suggest anything has changed.

   I’m saying that everyone should just take a chill pill, settle down a bit, and see what comes our way in December.

   Posted 3 months ago #
2. pettytyrant
   Member

   "the Shakespearian dialogue"

   I'm going to be laughing for at least a week at that!!! Brilliant!

   "the scenes you play over in your mind again and again…"

   Because no matter how much I drink I just cant get them to go away!

   "it is a masterpiece of film making."

   Wild assertation like that given as undeniable fact is exactly the sort of thing a forum is there to discuss and dissect.

   "If PJ is making an awful mess of it (which I doubt, then all the forum rants in the world won’t make a difference to that, he isn’t going to logon, read a post, and think “Oh yeah, I’ll change that, I daren’t upset that pettytyrant bloke.”

   I'm not hear to change PJ's mind, I'm here to analysis and discuss his work- same as if I join a book club and we read and discuss Chaucer, I don't expect his ghost to pop up and rewrite the bits I don't like- does not make any conversation on the topic invalid however because he won't be listening.

   "the OneRing, of all the amazing parties he could have gone to, he chose one that LOTR fans hosted."

   You mean he attended the party of the group which had been advertising and promoting his film for free for years? Gosh what a remarkably gregarious man that PJ must be!

   Exactly what are you wanting Richard? To log onto a forum thats largly no posts at all or people in varies ways saying 'can I nip under the desk and pleasure you again Mr Jackson because everything you do is super!'

   For someone ostensibly claiming to be calling for some sort of peace its interestng you name check me and use words like 'bile and viteroil'- or perhaps that's how you view anyone who has an alternative view to you? I am pretty sure those who have been engaged in the discussion with me, whilst they might not agree with me or always like what I have to say, would not accuse me of those things but of defending a position and trying to use argument and discussion to back it up. We call it debate.
   I could for example just have made a series of blanket assertations with nothing to back them up such as "The films are a disgrace" or "it is a masterpiece of film making"! But that would not be a debate.

   But if nothing else your post has cheered me up somewhat on a cold morning.
   :)

   Posted 3 months ago #
3. lance
   Member

   Oh Jason. If nothing else you do know how to warm up a cold day!

   Richard - you post was rather self defeating. You can't complain about things and then go and do the same thing you have just complained about!

   This is exactly the place for some good discussions and arguements so long as things dont start getting personal. I have found most of them quite interesting so far with only one seeming like it may get out of control (which has since simmered down).

   If you don't want to be challenged then dont post.

   Posted 3 months ago #
4. julia mellor
   Member

   Richard if you have been away from the forum for a while you may have missed that we may have some almighty ding dongs, and things get heated and passionate, and sometimes steam comes out of ears, and sparks fly, but we all respect each other, specially the Tyrant, as he has some cahonies to post with many middle roaders, and people who genuinely love LOTR films with equally passionate views. Things would be awfully boring if we all brown nosed like they do over at that site with Ring in the title. Our tolerance is all part of the fabulousness of this forum.

   Posted 3 months ago #
5. pettytyrant
   Member

   Well put julia- disagreement with respect is the way to go. Besides the disagreements aren't my fault- I'm hardly to blame for you all being wrong! ;)

   Posted 3 months ago #
6. stuart Carrier
   Member

   Ayup Jason...

   Oh yes you ARE ! LOL.

   Posted 3 months ago #
7. Marvin Chang
   Member

   Richard, I'm not sure what you wished to accomplish with this post, as the only outcome I can see is beginning anew the very debate you're denouncing, or opening yourself up to personal attack. How did you really expect people to respond? "Ah, yes, the man does have a point." Not gonna happen, bud, sorry. I will say that I don't agree that we treat each other with that much respect. I include myself in this as several weeks ago I had my own spewing of bile and I was not happy with myself, both for behaving the way I did and for allowing myself to reach an emotional point where I boiled over. Since then I've tried to dull the sharpness of my tongue a little; not sure if it's worked, but whatever. We're all human after all. I think we are often sarcastic and mocking in our debate style (and I do include myself in this) and I think we could be a little more respectful. But, lest I make myself a hypocrite, I do not say these things in any attempt to elicit change, I'm mearly stating my piece in this debate. In closing, I wish to say how much I do value the opinions of all those on this forum. Indeed, and it pains me to say this ;), I particularly have appreciated Petty's posts. Not because he's swayed me in my stances one bit, but because he's forced me to delve deeper into my own opinions and beliefs. This is a valuable thing and, if I can keep my emotions in check, allows me to better understand myself which in all things is my primary goal. So, thanks to all (even our dear Tyrant).

   Posted 3 months ago #
8. pettytyrant
   Member

   "I will say that I don't agree that we treat each other with that much respect."- MArvin

   I think we do not a bad job- sure every so often at the zenith of an argument we might type something in the heat of the moment which is deserving of regret later- however it has never decended into name calling or abuse- nor should it.

   Posted 3 months ago #
9. Eldorion
   Member

   I don't think that being respectful means always being serious nor does it mean never saying anything you regret. So long as everyone has a healthy understanding of what is meant jokingly or sarcastically (and we get along well enough to talk out any misunderstandings or escalations) I don't see why it should be called disrespectful. :)

   Posted 3 months ago #
10. Joel Becker
    Member

    Your post seems to have the purpose of calling out Petty (since you actually named him in your post). I'm sorry you feel this way. Every now and again, things may get a bit tense; tempers may even flare. However, if a man truly believes something, he must be able to claim that he is right and other views are wrong. Petty may frustrate some people at times, but he sticks to what he believes, and that's commendable. Of course, he isn't alone in that, and besides, as has been stated already, if we all had the same views and/or gave in immediately to everyone else, this site would be pretty boring.

    But I guess more to the point of your post, yes, we should all try to stay calm and not let our emotions control us. But hey, some of us are pretty passionate about the topics we discuss, and there's been no (or if any, hardly any) slander (errr, libel, I suppose). Perhaps there's been some regrettable language, but no flame wars (as they are called) that I'm aware of.

    Posted 3 months ago #

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