The Hobbit Movie Forum » Hobbit Movie

1. Todd VanDelinder
   Member

   rumor on several forums is PJ will forsake having Dain in the films and going so far as to make one of the 13 dwarfs king under the mountain. Some suspected dwarfs on the other forums have been Dwalin, Balin, and my personal I hate it so bad I can taste it.... NOT killing Kili and making him king under the mountain.

   what do ya'll think of this?

   To me its horrible and if thats the case PJ needs to shut down production till he pulls his head out of his arse. To get that far into the movies and do something that stupid my god I want to vomit.

   Are people really that freekin gullible they would like those ideas?
   I guess what ticks me off about it is that people are actually saying its not that bad an idea...., are they MORONS? I am sorry but that just goes too far off the edge for me.
   ok end of rant can't believe I made it through without cursing

   Posted 4 months ago #
2. Joel Becker
   Member

   Oh, goodness...

   I hope these rumors aren't true. You know, I was rather bummed that Kili and Fili died in the book, but... I actually hope they die in the movie.

   The King Under The Mountain is kind of a big deal. Changing who becomes King just doesn't make any sense to me.

   Posted 4 months ago #
3. Virux
   Member

   I hope Kili and Fili die in the movie as well... though, I'll admit, the way they have been cast and characterized worries me that PJ will be afraid to kill off his "hot guys." He's certainly prettied them up so much mostly to add some sex appeal to Thorin's company, and well... Rugged, manly hotties have a tendency to live longer than they ought in movies, for the fangirl' sakes. Still, I agree with you... Dain is not a throwaway.

   Posted 4 months ago #
4. julia mellor
   Member

   Well they werent afraid to kill off Boromir, and he was kind of gorgeous, but I think they will kill off Kili and Fili and make it a very touching scene like the death of Boromir, I always tear up at the My Captain my King bit. I agree with Todd about the leaving out of Dain, its probably just the usual forum rumour crap and not to be taken seriously, unless PJ or some other official source mentions it I wouldnt worry too much yet.

   Posted 4 months ago #
5. Todd VanDelinder
   Member

   Yeah I echo that thought as morbid as it is Kili and Fili both need to die.

   what bothers me the most I think is the fact of how people are willing to just accept a drastic change like that. It just reafirms how many people are sheep and just buy into something so easily. when a change like that ( cutting Dain out all together) is made. Are people just that happy to have the films made they care nothing for the original text written by Tolkien himself? This concept baffles and bothers me to no end. I guess I would rather wait and have the movies made right and not just done with someones best intentions and wrong. Dain Ironfoot needs to be present and in these films or IMHO PJ has strayed too far from the source material.

   by the way I hope someone whos involved in production reads this cause I am still pissed about it LOL

   Posted 4 months ago #
6. Jana N. Miller
   Member

   Is there anything to confirm the rumors? I mean, all we know is that Dain hasn't been cast yet. There's still some time. And besides, he won't show up until part 2 anyway, unless the flashback concerning Azog is put in part 1, and then Dain would have to show up.
   Which brings me to another point. They have Azog cast, so they must be planning some sort of flashback. But exactly how does that figure into the rest of the movie? I mean, it'll be cool and all, if they do it like in the appendices, but the only point I could possibly see it serving is to build the characters of Dain and Thorin. It's the best way to introduce Dain: I mean, it would be way cooler to see Dain show up at the Battle of Five Armies if we actually knew about him. What I'm afraid of is that they'll give Thorin Dain's part of slaying Azog.
   They haven't cast Dain OR Roac, which makes me think that the dwarves from the Iron Mountains aren't going to come at all. Roac is the only way they could possibly get the message in time. Even if you gave the part to someone else, like an elf (which is, of course, ridiculous, since the elves hate the dwarves), there's NO WAY someone travelling over land could get the message out in time.
   Then it would be the Battle of Four Armies, since there's no way 13 dwarves and one hobbit (who gets knocked out early in the battle) counts as an army. PJ should tell us whether he's going to have Dain or not.

   I agree with Todd: if there's anyone who's remotely involved in the production reading this, pass along the message. PJ, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING?!?!?

   Posted 4 months ago #
7. julia mellor
   Member

   Good point about the 4/5 armies Jana, they obviously need the Dwarves to turn up, I have my suspicions that PJ will do a cameo as Dain, thats why he is steadily getting fatter the further into filming they get.

   Posted 4 months ago #
8. julia mellor
   Member

   oops double post

   Posted 4 months ago #
9. Jana N. Miller
   Member

   LOL!!!! YES!! But remember, all the armor that dwarves wear! He'd lose all the weight pretty quick if he was doing a cameo! lol....

   Posted 4 months ago #
10. Todd VanDelinder
    Member

    Mmmmm can't really see PJ taking on the role of Dain Since he becomes king under the mountain and would surely have some good dialogue PJ IS NO ACTOR by any standards. just can't imagine his ego has gotten that big

    Posted 4 months ago #
11. Jana N. Miller
    Member

    We weren't actually serious. At least, I wasn't. lol.

    Posted 4 months ago #
12. julia mellor
    Member

    I was sooooooo serious LOL.

    Posted 4 months ago #
13. Todd VanDelinder
    Member

    actually that point was made on 2 other forums is why I thought you might be serious Jana... Don't scare me like that. LOL

    Posted 4 months ago #
14. Kendalf
    Member

    Noooooooooooooooo!

    But, you know what? I think (and sincerely hope) we're all getting a little carried away. As Jana pointed out, there's plenty of time to cast Dain: he's only required for the "Azog flashback" and the Battle of Five Armies.

    Has Azog been filming his flashback yet? When we get confirmation that that scene is being / has been filmed and we've _still_ no Dain, _then_ I'll start to worry. More.

    Posted 4 months ago #
15. julia mellor
    Member

    They HAVE to have Dain, he heads one of the armies for freeks sake. But everywhere I look they have Brian Blessed rumoured as Dain so I hope its true.

    Posted 4 months ago #
16. stuart Carrier
    Member

    Ayup...

    To echo Kendalf...

    Noooooooooo... oooooooo...ooooooo !

    Dain should have a LITTLE more screen time than a 'Mere' Extra, as he has to recieve News from the Ravens, confront the Elves/Bard, fight TYBO5A and then Bury Thorin and take up residence in the Lonely Mountain...

    Brian 'Bloodaxe' Blessed ? 'Thorins Aliive ive ive ive...

    Noooooooooo... ooooooo... ooooooo !

    Posted 4 months ago #
17. Kendalf
    Member

    Stuart (in the White Council thread): "What is interesting...is that AZOG has been cast, and not BOLG, who...should turn up at the TBO5A"

    Indeed. If there's no Bolg, maybe that's because it's going to be Azog that leads the goblin army at the BO5A (making a return to our screens from an earlier Azanulbizar flashback, giving the audience a baddie they already hate rather than a goblin they've never met before). And maybe that's because he didn't get his head chopped off at Azanulbizar. And maybe that's because Dain wasn't there. And maybe that's because Jackson has decided to delete him, give the pleasure of beheading Azog to Thorin at BO5A (like Jana fears)...and give the crown to one of the thirteen.

    Why did I just type that? I'm not going to get any sleep tonight.

    Posted 4 months ago #
18. pettytyrant
    Member

    Me neither now!

    Posted 4 months ago #
19. Joel Becker
    Member

    Kendalf! My dear Kendy.... oh, my heart groans at such a possibility. That actually does seem like quite a real possibility, and I wouldn't put it past PJ and his crew. I get that they don't want to overload the audience with characters, but come on! As I said earlier, the King Under The Mountain is a big deal, and it shouldn't be dealt with so flippantly. Come on, PJ! In fact, if he's going to replace Dain, why not go ahead and use an existing Elf character (Legolas?) to replace Thranduil? Doesn't that sound reasonable? ... NO! Get your head in the game (not you, Kendalf... PJ/crew)!

    Posted 4 months ago #
20. stuart Carrier
    Member

    Ayup All..

    But it should be easy enuff shirley, to Insert a 'Young' Bolg in the (presumably Flashback to the Battle of Azanulbizar) scene when Thrain/Thror kills Azog. We could have a nice shot of him scowling as he looks down at his dead fathers corpse, and have him vow revenge on the House of Thror... Sound good ?

    Posted 4 months ago #
21. Todd VanDelinder
    Member

    I'm serious if they leave out Dain, and Bolg and make it strictly AZOG and Thorin kills him. First i will VOMIT and then I will write Peter jackson a letter of complaint telling him his film sucked. Not that it would do anything but make me feel better.

    Posted 4 months ago #
22. Kendalf
    Member

    Stuart - "(In the flashback) We could have a nice shot of (Bolg) scowling as he looks down at his dead fathers corpse, and have him vow revenge on the House of Thror... Sound good?"
    Yes it does, and yes it's what I (and every fan) would hope for.

    But I just wonder whether Jackson wouldn't rather have a baddie at BO5A that's just a little more developed, a baddie the audience already have a grievance against. In other words, Azog. Dramatically, it may even work better*: you have a dwarf goodie (Thorin) with an opportunity for "closure" rather than a goblin baddie (Bolg) bent on the same...

    *Please note, this does _not_ equal me saying it's a good idea that I support!!!!

    Jeez. I said ealier in this thread that I wasn't that worried about the lack of casting news on Dain. Scratch that. Lack of Dain news + lack of Bolg news = potentially _bad_ news.

    Posted 4 months ago #
23. Todd VanDelinder
    Member

    Worked in the book
    It would work exactly the same on film otherwise PJ didn't do his job properly. Are people really that dumb (for lack of a better word) that they need to be told every single detail and not use their own imagination to connect the dots between points? I like little things to be left up to speculation and not have my hand held from point A to point B. It makes for a more interesting film experience for me. just going to the theater and having every detail laid out for you? I could see that if we were going to see a film aimed at 5 year olds and under. but grown up adults or even kids older than 5 should get it. it the Hobbit it does not need to be shown in the same way as a kids movie where everything is spelled out for you.

    OK all I got complain away
    posted this on another forum and got banned for it I don't see a damn thing wrong with this, other than questioning the dumb ideas people are spouting off about. People are just a bunch of dumbasses anymore with no imagination who need everything spelled out for them I guess.

    Posted 4 months ago #
24. julia mellor
    Member

    Sounds like a forum for Muppets Todd, you were not offending individual people so whats their problem? Indeed you were just expressing your opinions. Anyway welcome to Crabbit Central.

    Posted 4 months ago #
25. Todd VanDelinder
    Member

    yeah I tend to stay here cause I know ya'll have a bit thicker skin LOL and since meeting Jason I tend to be alot more Crabbit than accepting of things LOL

    Posted 4 months ago #
26. stuart Carrier
    Member

    Ayup Kendalf...

    Thanks for the agreement. But don't you think it'll only take as much screen time to establish TWO Goblin characters as one ? And one of them Dead ? One of those 'Quotable Quotes' that I'd Like to hear scattered through the Movie, to make sure I know I'm in the right one (!), and gives me Goosebumps is Gandys 'The Goblins are upon you ! Bolg if the North is coming o Dain, whose father you slew in Moria, Behold ... etc.' line... It doesn't work if it's replaced by 'Azog', as we'll ALL cringe for such a Faux Pas.

    And I think that scene rules out Brian Blessed as Dain too, because he wouldn't be able to do either that scene or the part 'Straight' I believe. I don't want 'Comedy' Dwarves as such... Trouble is, we already know Azog is cast... *cries*

    Posted 4 months ago #
27. Todd VanDelinder
    Member

    Stauart that Line would be AWSOME in the movie.

    I still cringe at the thought of Dain and Bolg being cut from the films and hope my worries are just that worries and nothing more. plus wouldn't it be cool to see Azog's head on a pike outside Moria? or Thrors head for that fact being tossed back at the dwarven army with AZOG carved in his forehead? that would be freeking AWSOME on top of AWSOME... LOL

    Posted 4 months ago #
28. stuart Carrier
    Member

    Ayup Todd...

    Wouldn't it just ? But what would the 'Certification' people say about that though ? Too much ? I don't know how the Hobbit is viewed from a 'Certificate' perspective. It's a little more than 'Mild Fantasy Violence' isn't it ? Still, I forgot about Azogs Head on the Spike... It'd be Freekin' Awesome as you said !

    Posted 4 months ago #
29. pettytyrant
    Member

    that scene rules out Brian Blessed as Dain too, because he wouldn't be able to do either that scene or the part 'Straight' I believe.- Stuart

    I can only assume Stu you have never seen any of his Shakespeare work- he would make a formidable Dain.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKHihAPr2Rc

    Posted 4 months ago #
30. julia mellor
    Member

    I think Head-On-A-Spike is pretty much obligatory in fantasy films. In Game of Thrones we had three for the price of one.

    Posted 4 months ago #

RSS feed for this topic

Reply »

You must register or log in to post.