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Hobbit vs LOTR

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  • Started 5 months ago by Hillbilly
  • Latest reply from Recoveryanonymous

  1. Hillbilly
    Member

    As stated in previous posts, I liked The Hobbit, but not as much as LOTR. The Hobbit contained too many cartoonish scenes, and that along with the content changes place it lower IMO (although I believe the Azog bit is an improvement on the book, but that's for another thread).

    My question is, how has LOTR impacted our view of The Hobbit? I believe that the standard set in LOTR, from the cinematography to the score to the general epicness of it, has set the bar too high for the rest of the movies.

    Let me save some of you some typing and state "The bar was set too low with the first movies, but PJ crashed below that with the falling of the Goblin King." (That's my idea of humor to you new posters, no need to label me as a negative purist.)

    Posted 5 months ago #
  2. Barnamir
    Member

    I think that would make you a neo-purist. I think that the LOTR was great. One of the things that I liked about the Hobbit was that it fit so well with Peej's rings trilogy, but also had much of the charm of the original. I fully expected that it would fit and feel together. With the film what surprised me was that the dwarves sang silly songs about the plates, but it worked. Don't get me wrong I like the Hobbit as Tolkien wrote it but it has a far different tone. What amazed me was it felt very much like the same Middle Earth, albeit not so close to the brink of war, it had the charm of the Hobbit. I know people complain about the Goblin King but I loved him. He even used some of the Goblin town song, again somthing I did not think would happen. There is something about orcs signing that I believed would not work right in film. But the pompus self important slum lord of Goblin Town can pull off the song, be disgusting, and fit in the Middle Earth I remember.

    Posted 5 months ago #
  3. stuart Carrier
    Moderator

    Ayup Hillbilly...

    As someone who didnt want TH to Dovetail with LOTR, the only real comparison I wanted to make was the difference between TH and ROTK, (which as a film is TRULY awful, IMO), to see what 'Lessons' if any, PJ had learnt or otherwise. Trouble is, in between the tw films he hasn't learnt anything, and although TH isnt as bad as ROTK, because we Tolkien Literature fans had dared to criticize, he has ditched us, who supported his movies more or less up until then, and deliberately decided to dumb TH down as much as he could get away with, for his 'New' fans, whom I refer to as the 'Comic-conned', because he truly is pissed at how we have failed to Lick His arse in gratefullness for making these films. I do wish now that Del Toro had directed it instead...

    Posted 5 months ago #
  4. figgsbane
    Member

    I thought LOTR was and is magnificent, it had a few 'flaws' that I have come to terms with and I can forgive a lot with LOTR. The perceived flaws are) made up PJ bits, for example the TT warg chase scenes, pretty bad, (but in comparison with THobbit are pretty good, Elves at Helms Deep, (I love Elves so what the heck), Faramir's character (harder to condone but David Watsit was good in his own way). In the Hobbit the PJ made up stuff is ENORMOUS and worse, boring. The whole Azog thing, boring, the Goblin Town Goonies ride, boring. In comparison the collapsing bridge scene in Fellowship was thrilling even though it was made up and OTT, I still like those scenes. Another perceived flaw in LOTR is OTT spectacle, but it never irked me, bored me or irritated me in LOTR, it kind of suits it, like a chap with a beard, its not necessary, but sometimes it suits him better than a shaven face. The Hobbit has little to smirk at, ok Riddles was good, as was Martin Freeman, but poor old Bilbo didnt get much attention, as its the Thorin show. There were pale flashes of its former glory, but nothing even remotely like the genius of LOTR. IMHO obviously.

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  5. figgsbane
    Member

    spam hammering

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  7. figgsbane
    Member

    sorry yet again

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  8. stuart Carrier
    Moderator

    Can the Spam !

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  9. jon
    Member

    Bump.

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  10. Gandalf the wise
    Member

    still yet to see the Hobbit i am sad to say so cannot yet judge however i already have a fair jist from reading mulitple reviews on here. I watched the LOTR films numerous times before reading the books and can honestly say there is nothing MAJOR that happens in the films that doesnt happen in thwe films, yes there are things not in, the scowering of the shire and tom bombadil, but nothing thats just made up out of thin air. Okay the warg chase in TT, but in the grand scheme of things a 11 hour film EE version doesnt seem to far off the scale if you ask me. No i know its the festive season and we have all probably had one two many over the last couple of weeks so forgive me for any confusions i may have between the films and the books, but wasnt Halidir fighting at helms deep in both book and film? the only differnece that he didnt diein the book? Tom bombadil and scowering would of prolonged the film too much and not completely necessary to the plot.The warg chase is just a bit of holywood they added, the bridge collapse your refferring to is that the one in moria? I thibnk that the tone, atmosphere, charcter building, scene setting, story telling makes the FOTR one of the best films there is and by far the best out of the three, can some one please explain why ROTK gets such a bash in, again i am bored tired and at work but is the path of the dead scene all made up? cheers in advance

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  11. Anonymous

    I would strongly advise people to watch the film before coming here. You will end up finding it impossible to come to your own conclusions as you will be infected by what is said on this forum.

    There is lots of made up and left out things in LotR. Just as much as TH imo. Except TH ones do not really change the main storyline. I think this is a classic case of new films never being able to match its predecessors no matter how good it is. Plus LotR is a much more epic story by default.

    I am fairly sure Haldir was not at Helms Deep. No Elves were. The warg chase was completely made up.
    The main reason I enjoy RotK least of all is because of the army of the dead winning the war all by themselves. It took so much away from our 'heroes' and was not needed at all.

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  12. figgsbane
    Member

    I strongly suggest people actually read the books first, and then they will know all the details. Then they should watch the films and come to their own conclusions if the changes to the adaptation are acceptable or not. Personally I love LOTR and although there are changes, I like them all apart from a few niggles. As to the Hobbit I pretty much dont like maybe 70% of it. Its not IMHO a good adaptation apart from some good parts ie Riddles with Bilbo and Gollum. Its personal taste I suppose, but I think PJ has lost it.

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  13. Recoveryanonymous
    Member

    Bump.

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