well they posted a pic of what appears to be Beorns hall on theonering.net. The pic is after a spoiler alert banner but its just a photo (dont worry Nora LOL) so there is something new anyways. Would post a link but at work and on my cell phone just isn't the same as having a PC in front of me LOL
http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2011/10/31/49647-first-close-up-of-beorns-hall/
heres the link, but it looks too near the forest to me. wheres the gardens?
its also rumored it could be Radagasts home as well maybe under the boughs of Mirkwood. But being a single level home like that it might be Beorns. BUT IT IS SOMETHING NEW LOL
Thought I might dig out an old thread on Beorn rather than start a new one. Hope that's OK.
http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2012/01/10/52599-michael-persbrandt-talks-a-wee-bit-about-beorn/
MovieZine: Do you have a part in both films?
Michael P.: Yes I have. The role is more or less what it is in the book. I’m not going to talk much more about it because they’ll get angry at me, but read the book and you see… and then maybe there is a little more.
Whilst it's reassuring to hear that's he's in both movies and that the role roughly approximates that which he has in the original novel, the final phrase is interesting, is it not?
What do you hope this "little more" is? Or, if different, what do you _expect_ it to be?
Roped into whatever the WC are up to- he isn't far from Dol Guldur after all.
Ah, yes, I hadn't thought of that one. I'd guessed at some sort of fabricated peril where he shows up and saves the company (because I'd rather he didn't aid with the spiders) but having him assist in the assault on Dol Guldur might be more substantial.
Giant bear-man against zombie-orcs! You must really be looking forward to that, Petty!
With baited breath Kendalf!
The torture of the goblin and warg for info to confirm Gandalf's story is what I think "more" will be
I don't think we need to actually see that but I can think of a lot worse- at least its something which actually happens in the book.
I doubt the torture scene would be included because it does nothing to advance the story. We the audience already know that Gandalf, Thorin, and company are telling the truth so having a scene where Beorn tortures it out of a goblin and a warg is superfluous. I'm more inclined to think that the "more" being referred to has to do with the Battle of Five Armies and Beorn's role therein.
Nice, Marvin. It would also do very little to encourage the audience's affections for the character.
On the other hand Kendalf Tolkien does go out of his way in the book to make sure the reader is aware Beorn is not 'safe'- he's quite scary and savage at times- does he not put the goblin and the wargs heads on poles for example?-thats quite barbaric really.
Quite true! There's certainly a volatility to the character, an irascibility, than needs to be tip-toed around and, like the natural world he's (partly) intended to embody, he's certainly "red in tooth and claw".
But he's still on the side of "good" and having a torture scene wouldn't sit well with that positioning...
reason I said that scene with torturing the warg and goblin is because someone on another forum found an interview with the actor playing Beorn which said something about torture. on that forum It was speculated since the Necromancer was brought up (not in that interview just in general in the film) that Beorn was tortured by the necromancer at some point in his past and would be expanded wanting revenge on him and him being involved in the DolGuldur subplot. I truly HATE that idea, its the worst pile of steaming crap I have ever heard in my life. I wouldn't mind seeing just a glimpse of Beorn getting information from the warg and goblin. which could not necessarily mean torture but and interrogation ending with a goblin beheading
"But he's still on the side of "good" and having a torture scene wouldn't sit well with that positioning..."-Kendalf
But he is 'on the side of good' in the book and he still tortures the info out of the orc and warg and then rips their heads off- its off page but you are left in no doubt not only that he did it but that he enjoyed it.
I don't want PJ to do to TH what he did to characters in LotR's, make them black or white- I like my shades of grey and PJ should trust his audience this time to be able to handle more than good guy/bad guy.
Although on past evidence that's maybe hoping for too much.
The fact that it's "off page" (and off screen) is absolutely key, I'm afraid.
But I can see Jackson including the goblin's head on a spike and the warg skin nailed to a tree, possibly in a humorous way, somehow (accompanied by a "gulp" from one of the dwarves?).
Besides, as the whole episode is in the book, I suspect it's not the "little more" that Persbrandt is referencing...
"possibly in a humorous way"- Kendalf
I hope not if the supposed humour in LotR's is anything to go by.
Ayup All...
Oooooh Nooooooo !
'Hagrid's' Turned up in the Wrong Book !
AAAArrrrrGGGGhh !
Zombie Orcs ? Again ?
Ohhhhh YES Please ! LOL.
well i am thinking that if they show Beorn doing the "torture" scene it will be little more than an interrogation scene but I don't think there will be any warg torturing but I think Beorn will kill the warg outright and be done with it and then interrogate the goblin in a way where there is some violence but not gore and blood and actual torture being shown.
Honestly I think it would be pretty cool show Beorn with the goblin after killing the warg and then flash to Gandalf walking outside in the mmorning and there is Beorn finishing up putting the goblin head on a pike and there is a warg skin next to it... would be kind of cool
I also dont think there will be any torture scenes as its off page and should not be seen, its far too crude and totally unecessary, especially the warg being an animal would be highly unpleasant no matter how nasty an animal, indeed the whole wolves are evil thing is outdated and repulsive to modern viewers. Beorn was a fearsome foe of the orcs, he was wild but he also had great love and compassion for all animals, it seems strange he would kill for pleasure, its almost against his ethos. I think he was merciless in battle or if attacked, it makes him more complex and interesting if he has restraint when dealing with wargs. Unless PJ and co make them as less like wolves as possible and more like the monster hyenas of TT.
Please no more hyenas!! Wargs are evil wolf things Julia- just as orcs are twisted elves wargs are twisted wolves and therefore fair game for chopping up and making a rug out of just as much as orcs (And noboody laments them because they were once elves)
I think the dangerous, wild, red tooth and claw aspect of Beorn is important and I will be disappointed if its not retained- he is not safe in the way a wild animal is never safe.
Obviously he was wild and dangerous and he will have ample time in the Battle to cause mayhem, but if you just concentrate on that aspect you make him 2 dimentional and banal, and he was far more interesting than that. Wargs may be evil but no one in their right mind wants to see wolf like creatures killed, it just wont wash in todays enlightened times, its a cliche and outdated, they have to be as less like real wolves as possible, I am fully aware that Tolkien wrote they were wolves but times have changed and you cant go back to the old ancestral fear of wolves to make it acceptable, I am sorry but they have to be an updated better CGI hyena monster thing.
"no one in their right mind wants to see wolf like creatures killed, it just wont wash in todays enlightened times"- Julia
You can take your political correctness and stick it where the sun dont shine!! Wargs are not wolves any more than orcs are elves, or trolls ents. They are therefore fair game.
By this logic the Black Riders should all have got off their horses to ford the river as drowning horses is not something anyone in 'their right mind wants to see.'
Plus the hyena thing looked bloody awful.
..and you can take your patronising attitude and stick it where the sun dont shine.
Its got nothing to do with PC nonesense, I hate anything PC, dont hold with it, never have, never will. Its about outdated attitudes towards animals that have gone thank goodness, that all wolves are to be feared, shot and trapped. Its like the book Moby Dick, its about the killing of whales, who is going to make a film about a psychopathic whale killer and make it acceptable?
Moby Dick is about obssession not whale killing. It just uses the whale as the metaphor.
Wargs are not wolves- they are wargs. Wolves twisted just as elves and men were twisted to make orcs or ents to make trolls. I fail to see the problem here.
And how can it be ok to show hundreds of orcs, dwarves, men, elves being killed but wrong to show any animals?
whatever
Dismissive and equally uninformative! Impressive. I've always suspected you of having some good old scots crabbit in you! :)
But there is a serious point here about what people are happy to see- violence it seems on humans or human like things is fine- but not animals getting hurt (not even made up animals it seems) or sex- is it just me or does that seem an odd sort of morality?
Well I for one dont want to see any killing whether animal or human or troll. and I am not happy to see violence either. If people are happy to see violence done to other humans that is very sad, but people always have thats why they knitted under Madame Guillotine
Sex on animals? Jason you cross the line LMAO...
on the topic at hand anyways, Wargs were more like monsters honestly realistic looking in a animal kind of way but monsters none the less AND JUST to remind everyone they did show wargs being killed in TTT so I do say its fair to say they would show a few being killed in the Hobbit films both by Beorn and other warriors in the BO5A. So I don't see it as being far fetched at all they would flesh out Beorn a bit by showing the capture and interrogation of the goblin riding the warg that he does kill before the BO5A near his home. I mean he was following up on the story Gandalf told him.
It might be off page but SO WAS where Gandalf went while he was away from the dwarfs. ALL DONE OFF PAGE!. There is no chapters in the hobbit pertaining to DolGuldur, unless of course I didn't get the extended edition of the book. darn it I knew I meant to get that version. LOL
Anywho.... there will be plenty of off the page stuff in these 2 films DolGuldur, Necromancer, White Council, Saruman, Galadriel, Radagast. Tons and tons of off page stuff. But I do believe they will try and flesh out Beorn a bit especially about his hatred for the goblins which is why he shows up at the BO5A, a chance to kill a bunch of goblins, not to help Thorin or anyone else. and showing him maybe smacking around a goblin after killing its "stead" so to speak is a good start. I don't need all the hero's to be black and white good and bad I like that occasional hero who has many shades of grey and kind of steps over the line a bit to get a good end result (the punisher anyone) Someone who doesn't play by the rules but gets the end result everyone was wanting to begin with... I am fine with a character like that
I'd be okay with seeing wolf-like creatures get killed in the movies. I guess I'm nuts.
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