The Hobbit Movie Forum

[Gandalfs Beard]

Yes indeedy . I don't think the "gamboling" would be as silly as it probably sounds. I just thought it would be a lovely way to introduce Beren's rapport with the birds and beasts .

Disney's version of Snow White really captures a lot of the Mythic qualities of the Grimms' Fairy Tale. Both in it's terror and it's beauty. I know the whole "One with the Animals" thing has become a trope ripe for Parody (see Shrek), but with an artistic touch, such a scene can still be done in a lushly visual way that doesn't seem completely ridiculous.

I might indeed take a whack at actually scripting this stuff out, but I tend to work a bit more loosely by roughly sketching and fleshing out the details as I go along, usually visually--which is why I'd be better off story-boarding. If someone were able to take my sketches and mock them up into a verbal script, that might work. Directors often work very closely with writers and artists to have them map out their vision. This really would require more of a team effort to even come up with just one script, let alone several individual scripts.

GB

[Odo Banks]

I'm not thinking multiple scripts, that's why I suggested starting with SCENE ONE versions - choosing one after discussion - then moving on to SCENE TWO. A gradual process. Doing it over a forum would otherwise become a big old mess. Maybe if we stay motivated long enough, we could have an AGREED SCRIPT thread where each Agreed Scene could go, one post after another as we Agree them!

As to our Beastly friends, I think we should try and make this aspect of our story as realistic as possible. Of course there will have to be things that need suspension of disbelief - we don't want to limit ourselves too much! I think the best time to introduce our Beasts is after Barahir is killed and Beren gets his ring back by killing the Orc. This then will follow the proper story arc as laid out in the text. I do have something concrete in mind about how we use our beasts, but that can wait...

One of the trickiest things will be all our sub-creating. The story is told swiftly and briefly and we'll need to make up dialogue and create scenes and "interpret" quite a lot. So long as we stay as true to the spirit of T's text as possible, I think it'll be okay. Can't avoid it anyway.

Anyway, head down, bum up...

Odo

[Odo Banks]

Read your post on the SCRIPT thread old chum. I'm not totally against your idea, but it's not how I would start!

Odo

[Tinuviel]

I've put up something for scene one. It's very rough, a brain pour as I like to call it. Sometimes it doesn't really flow, but it's my thoughts in words, so it's more than likely to sound like hoggwash!

What do u thinK?

[Odo Banks]

Tin, you could knock me down with a feather! Your SCENE ONE was really really good!

If you don't mind, I'll try to download what you've got to a Word doc and maybe work it a little. There's a couple of things I think I might be able to fiddle with or rejig to make it a bit closer to Tolkien's text, I think. And maybe fiddle a little with some of your dialogue too. This is to do with 'my' interpretative process, and not so much to do with what you've done, which I think is pretty darn good.

Would you mind if I tried? If you don't mind, let me know. I'll then try and get my 'take' done quickly and post it on the SCENE ONE thread. We might then compare.

If this is your first attempt, well, all I can say is: "Wow!"

Odo

[Gandalfs Beard]

I agree with Odo. Great Job Tinuviel . Of course I like that you incorporated a bit of my approach too . Now we'll see how Odo tweaks it .

GB

[Tinuviel]

Thankee and go ahead and tweak it. I'd like to see what changes you'd make.
And so it begins....

[Odo Banks]

Thanks Tin!

But I've been thinking again (which is something someone like me should probably refrain from, but there you go!)

I've had a look at the beginning of the Chapter and at your SCENE ONE (which I still think is mighty fine), but it occurs to me that it might be useful if I do something of a precis of the chapter in point form, try to get a chronology, or sequence of events going. If we were to make a bare-bones outline, maybe then we could just then flesh out our scenes and sub-create where necessary. I'm till keen on keeping our movie as close to the book story (and sequence of action) as possible. This might end up meaning we take a scalpel to what you've done and re-position the 'bits' to where they'll fit better chronologically. I think you're pretty close anyway - but I just want to give it a try and see if it will help simplify the process for us. If we can agree on a basic outline, then we can return to our scene-making. (I hope you don't think I'm making a scene by suggesting this!!!??? )

I' ll do the first first pages and see how I go. Then post it here for the perusal (approval?) of everyone.

Odo

[Odo Banks]

GB and Tin, I'm a bit tied up at moment and don't know when I'll be able to get back to this, so please keep going! (Busy expanding number of Junior Teams for my Basketball Club - lots of phone calls and e-mailings!) (You've got SCENE ONE done, Tin, maybe you should try SCENE TWO?)

Back soon... Will pop in when I can. Hopefully won't be too long away...

Odo

NB Tin, I have posted my revision on the Script thread. Hope you like it. I've kept your other bits for future use! Hope you like my suggestions so far. Please feel free to keep what you did, or change what I've done if you basically like what I've done but want to improve it.

After Gorlim gets captured (SCENE TWO?), I'd like him to show the meeting with Sauron (SCENE THREE?) and use Tolkien's actual dialogue. I have written a snippet of dialogue in an earlier post somewhere, which we might use to flesh out the scene.

Anyhow, good luck. Back with this as soon as I can!

Cheers.

[Odo Banks]

Things sorting themselves out nicely. I'm keen to hear your views GB and Tin!

Odo