Comments on: Cate Blanchett And Hugo Weaving back For The Hobbit http://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/12/10/galadriel-and-elrond-to-join-gandalf-in-the-hobbit/ News and gossip surrounding the hobbit movies Wed, 23 Mar 2011 06:27:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Martin Mayhewhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/12/10/galadriel-and-elrond-to-join-gandalf-in-the-hobbit/comment-page-1/#comment-4083 Martin Mayhew Sun, 06 Feb 2011 15:26:31 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=311#comment-4083 Dol Goldur wasn't as powerful as he was in the LOTR, didn't have the fortress of Mordor to portect him, or the the nine ring wraiths Dol Goldur wasn’t as powerful as he was in the LOTR, didn’t have the fortress of Mordor to portect him, or the the nine ring wraiths

]]> By: Jason Myershttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/12/10/galadriel-and-elrond-to-join-gandalf-in-the-hobbit/comment-page-1/#comment-2092 Jason Myers Thu, 25 Feb 2010 16:34:30 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=311#comment-2092 One thing that's always bothered me was how Bilbo was able to wear the ring so much in the Hobbit. He wears it for an extended period of time in mirkwood and that's strange to me, because Dol Guldur is in mirkwood. So how come Sauron wouldn't know that the ring is so close to him? One thing that’s always bothered me was how Bilbo was able to wear the ring so much in the Hobbit. He wears it for an extended period of time in mirkwood and that’s strange to me, because Dol Guldur is in mirkwood. So how come Sauron wouldn’t know that the ring is so close to him?

]]> By: the JChttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/12/10/galadriel-and-elrond-to-join-gandalf-in-the-hobbit/comment-page-1/#comment-2039 the JC Tue, 02 Feb 2010 00:40:31 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=311#comment-2039 Lest we forget, the books of lost tales & the silmarillion were tolkiens way of trying to get our mortal heads around his incredible world. And as such, I think it would delight him that some 'extras' are added to the Hobbit to help us understand his vision. As much as he'd have been dismayed at the omitted parts in the lotr films. Remember there are to be two films ! plenty of room for expansion but NO NO NO new carachters ! especially no more attempts at portaying the elven women ! Be true pj & gdt, were trusting you and tolkien is watching !! Lest we forget, the books of lost tales & the silmarillion were tolkiens way of trying to get our mortal heads around his incredible world. And as such, I think it would delight him that some ‘extras’ are added to the Hobbit to help us understand his vision. As much as he’d have been dismayed at the omitted parts in the lotr films. Remember there are to be two films ! plenty of room for expansion but NO NO NO new carachters ! especially no more attempts at portaying the elven women ! Be true pj & gdt, were trusting you and tolkien is watching !!

]]> By: thaMChttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/12/10/galadriel-and-elrond-to-join-gandalf-in-the-hobbit/comment-page-1/#comment-2010 thaMC Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:32:23 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=311#comment-2010 I second that notion. The only way they can have the White Council present in the movie is if you have Christopher Lee as Saruman. I also agree with the rest of your comment. lol I second that notion. The only way they can have the White Council present in the movie is if you have Christopher Lee as Saruman. I also agree with the rest of your comment. lol

]]> By: Philip Armstronghttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/12/10/galadriel-and-elrond-to-join-gandalf-in-the-hobbit/comment-page-1/#comment-2009 Philip Armstrong Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:06:24 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=311#comment-2009 Let us also remember that Gandalf's real motive for becoming embroiled in what is essentially a dwarven treasure hunt was very much tied up with his strategic planning against Sauron. Tolkien tells us in The Unfinished Tales that Gandalf recognised the potentially catastrophic consequences of a re-emergent Sauron getting his hands on a WMD - no, not the One Ring in this instance, but Smaug. Remember the devestation wreaked by the dragons in the Battle of Nirnaeth Arnoediad? One of Gandalf's intentions in The Hobbit, is the elimination of Smaug before Sauron can strike an alliance with him. This would surely be part of the White Council's deliberations. I for one want to see it. But, oh, can we please have Christopher Lee back? Let us also remember that Gandalf’s real motive for becoming embroiled in what is essentially a dwarven treasure hunt was very much tied up with his strategic planning against Sauron. Tolkien tells us in The Unfinished Tales that Gandalf recognised the potentially catastrophic consequences of a re-emergent Sauron getting his hands on a WMD – no, not the One Ring in this instance, but Smaug. Remember the devestation wreaked by the dragons in the Battle of Nirnaeth Arnoediad? One of Gandalf’s intentions in The Hobbit, is the elimination of Smaug before Sauron can strike an alliance with him. This would surely be part of the White Council’s deliberations. I for one want to see it. But, oh, can we please have Christopher Lee back?

]]> By: Devinhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/12/10/galadriel-and-elrond-to-join-gandalf-in-the-hobbit/comment-page-1/#comment-1860 Devin Mon, 04 Jan 2010 03:00:43 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=311#comment-1860 I think the addition of Dol Guldar seems like a great Idea from what I read in the Silmarillion that is the whole reason Gandalf came to Middle Earth I think the addition of Dol Guldar seems like a great Idea from what I read in the Silmarillion that is the whole reason Gandalf came to Middle Earth

]]> By: Lxlnhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/12/10/galadriel-and-elrond-to-join-gandalf-in-the-hobbit/comment-page-1/#comment-1823 Lxln Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:25:49 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=311#comment-1823 It's a tricky question. Gandalf dissapearing IS part of the story. He drags Bilbo out of his comfortable hole and then buggers off leaving Bilbo to fend for himself. It's to do with Bilbo's growth as a character and what Gandalf is up to is completely irrelevant - in terms of the psychological journey that we take with Bilbo it's even arguably important that we don't know what happened to our avuncular protector. However, in terms of the films we now know alot about Gandalf, Sauron etc, these are no longer peripheral characters - having gone through the epic journey with them there will be interest in seeing their back story - and who is going to complain about having more of middle-earth realised ? You will notice I have mixed up those who read the books first and those who saw the films first and may not have read the books - BOTH have now the same possible reason for wanting more our of the Hobbit. But it has to be said, if somebody asked me where to start in all this, I would say above all READ the hobbit first. For the reverse reasons above, part of the pleasure and purpose of TLOTR is the expansion of middle-earth and it's characters. Maybe the answer is to have a 'Tolkiens Cut' ... It’s a tricky question.
Gandalf dissapearing IS part of the story. He drags Bilbo out of his comfortable hole and then buggers off leaving Bilbo to fend for himself. It’s to do with Bilbo’s growth as a character and what Gandalf is up to is completely irrelevant – in terms of the psychological journey that we take with Bilbo it’s even arguably important that we don’t know what happened to our avuncular protector.

However, in terms of the films we now know alot about Gandalf, Sauron etc, these are no longer peripheral characters – having gone through the epic journey with them there will be interest in seeing their back story – and who is going to
complain about having more of middle-earth
realised ?

You will notice I have mixed up those who read the books first and those who saw the films first and may not have read the books – BOTH have now the same possible reason for wanting more our of the Hobbit.

But it has to be said, if somebody asked me where to start in all this, I would say above all READ the hobbit first. For the reverse reasons above, part of the pleasure and purpose of TLOTR is the expansion of middle-earth and it’s characters.

Maybe the answer is to have a ‘Tolkiens Cut’ …

]]> By: Eldorionhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/12/10/galadriel-and-elrond-to-join-gandalf-in-the-hobbit/comment-page-1/#comment-1797 Eldorion Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:50:08 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=311#comment-1797 Do you accept then that since the filmmakers are expanding the story by including things such as the White Council that these things are not part of the story? Because even though Gandalf is in both the story of The Hobbit and the events of the White Council they are no more the same story than TH and TLotR are the same story because they share some characters. In the realm of personal opinion, I would rather they do what they purport to do by way of the title of the films and make an adaptation of TH instead of a general prequel to TLotR which seems to be the way they're going. Do you accept then that since the filmmakers are expanding the story by including things such as the White Council that these things are not part of the story? Because even though Gandalf is in both the story of The Hobbit and the events of the White Council they are no more the same story than TH and TLotR are the same story because they share some characters.

In the realm of personal opinion, I would rather they do what they purport to do by way of the title of the films and make an adaptation of TH instead of a general prequel to TLotR which seems to be the way they’re going.

]]> By: Ceylerionhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/12/10/galadriel-and-elrond-to-join-gandalf-in-the-hobbit/comment-page-1/#comment-1793 Ceylerion Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:16:59 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=311#comment-1793 As I have said elsewhere, we are here verging into the tricky area of the purists and what does and does not belong. The LOTR movies jumped back in time to show us the Last Alliance of Elves and Men 3000 years before, showed us Smeagol's fall and corruption 500 years before and showed us Aragorn's death and Arwen's mourning ove a hundred years AFTER. If the Hobbit also decides to "expand" the story in such a way then we may well see plenty that isn't inthe story proper. Personally I would welcome such expansions. The Hobbit after all can be perceived as a kind of introduction to LOTR (they are very clearly linked after all) and there are many events that are influential to the War of the Ring that occur around or just after the Hobbit. For me the banishment of Sauron from Dol Gulur - that was happening at the same time as the Erebor Quest - is the most obvious no brainer, especially as it involves Gandalf. Gandalf after all IS also in the Hobbit story - so there is a real link there between the two events. Should the film makers wish to go there and properly "explain" what he was doing when he was dissapearing then we WIL see the White Council, and Dol guldur -a nd of course Galadriel, as well as more of Elrond and even Radaghast and Saruman. But if you wish the Hobbit story to stand alone as a single story without context to the world around it or without mentioning the events transpiring at the same time… if to you these aren’t relevant to The Hobbit story then, yes I can see why those that think that way would have a problem. As I have said elsewhere, we are here verging into the tricky area of the purists and what does and does not belong.

The LOTR movies jumped back in time to show us the Last Alliance of Elves and Men 3000 years before, showed us Smeagol’s fall and corruption 500 years before and showed us Aragorn’s death and Arwen’s mourning ove a hundred years AFTER. If the Hobbit also decides to “expand” the story in such a way then we may well see plenty that isn’t inthe story proper.

Personally I would welcome such expansions. The Hobbit after all can be perceived as a kind of introduction to LOTR (they are very clearly linked after all) and there are many events that are influential to the War of the Ring that occur around or just after the Hobbit. For me the banishment of Sauron from Dol Gulur – that was happening at the same time as the Erebor Quest – is the most obvious no brainer, especially as it involves Gandalf. Gandalf after all IS also in the Hobbit story – so there is a real link there between the two events. Should the film makers wish to go there and properly “explain” what he was doing when he was dissapearing then we WIL see the White Council, and Dol guldur -a nd of course Galadriel, as well as more of Elrond and even Radaghast and Saruman.

But if you wish the Hobbit story to stand alone as a single story without context to the world around it or without mentioning the events transpiring at the same time… if to you these aren’t relevant to The Hobbit story then, yes I can see why those that think that way would have a problem.

]]> By: Eldorionhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/12/10/galadriel-and-elrond-to-join-gandalf-in-the-hobbit/comment-page-1/#comment-1787 Eldorion Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:17:00 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=311#comment-1787 @Ceylerion, the events surrounding the White Council are not part of The Hobbit. Therefore, no, Galadriel does not play _any_ role in The Hobbit, major or minor. In the book when Gandalf goes away we don't heart from him again until he shows up near the end. There is only a brief and very vague mention of his business with the Necromancer. That the films will cover the White Council does not mean that the White Council is part of the _true_ version of The Hobbit - the book. @Ceylerion, the events surrounding the White Council are not part of The Hobbit. Therefore, no, Galadriel does not play _any_ role in The Hobbit, major or minor. In the book when Gandalf goes away we don’t heart from him again until he shows up near the end. There is only a brief and very vague mention of his business with the Necromancer. That the films will cover the White Council does not mean that the White Council is part of the _true_ version of The Hobbit – the book.

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