Comments on: Gandalf The Grey http://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/09/24/gandalf-the-grey/ News and gossip surrounding the hobbit movies Wed, 23 Mar 2011 06:27:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Devinhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/09/24/gandalf-the-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-1859 Devin Mon, 04 Jan 2010 02:45:31 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=265#comment-1859 From what I read in the Silmarillion the Istari came during the beginning of the third age i dont remember them being one of the maiar but it might be different in the unfinnished tales I have not read those yet if anyone could clarify that would be helpful From what I read in the Silmarillion the Istari came during the beginning of the third age i dont remember them being one of the maiar but it might be different in the unfinnished tales I have not read those yet if anyone could clarify that would be helpful

]]> By: Bob Victorhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/09/24/gandalf-the-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-1817 Bob Victor Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:26:55 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=265#comment-1817 I, myself, look forward to a slightly different visual style from Del Toro. I think this is possible while maintaining some continuity with LOTR because the adventure takes part in a different part of the world and many of the characters will not have been seen. I, myself, look forward to a slightly different visual style from Del Toro. I think this is possible while maintaining some continuity with LOTR because the adventure takes part in a different part of the world and many of the characters will not have been seen.

]]> By: Bob Victorhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/09/24/gandalf-the-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-1816 Bob Victor Mon, 28 Dec 2009 18:21:48 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=265#comment-1816 I had the same impression of Tolkien intending the Hobbit as a children tale that could be read by adults and LOTR as an epic intended for adults and teenagers. I, myself have taken up Christopher Lee's yearly tradition of reading through the LOTR. I'm on my fourth trip through this year. I thought it was fitting to go to Mordor after the winter solstice has passed. I had the same impression of Tolkien intending the Hobbit as a children tale that could be read by adults and LOTR as an epic intended for adults and teenagers. I, myself have taken up Christopher Lee’s yearly tradition of reading through the LOTR. I’m on my fourth trip through this year. I thought it was fitting to go to Mordor after the winter solstice has passed.

]]> By: Rohan Nerurkarhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/09/24/gandalf-the-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-1802 Rohan Nerurkar Fri, 18 Dec 2009 06:58:38 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=265#comment-1802 hobbit: i just cant wait. hope it comes in 3d in all over cinemas. just let me know when the trailer is up hobbit: i just cant wait. hope it comes in 3d in all over cinemas. just let me know when the trailer is up

]]> By: Eldorionhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/09/24/gandalf-the-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-1799 Eldorion Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:55:10 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=265#comment-1799 I think we're on the same page about Tolkien's writing style. :) I think we’re on the same page about Tolkien’s writing style. :)

]]> By: Eldorionhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/09/24/gandalf-the-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-1798 Eldorion Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:54:39 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=265#comment-1798 @Ceylerion, This seems to be almost exactly the same as your post in the Galadriel and Elrond comments section, so I'd just as soon keep the discussion there (or in the forums, if you join; I have the same username there). @Ceylerion, This seems to be almost exactly the same as your post in the Galadriel and Elrond comments section, so I’d just as soon keep the discussion there (or in the forums, if you join; I have the same username there).

]]> By: Ceylerionhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/09/24/gandalf-the-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-1794 Ceylerion Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:28:52 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=265#comment-1794 I am aware that the content of the Silmarillion and the volumes of back scrappy draft backstory came first - but I am also aware that such content was being repeatedly re-worked and rewritten, with several versions existing, none of it ever "finished" or published by Tolkien himself. The first work published was the Hobbit and that appeared to be the style he had chosen to go with (since that is what he actually sent to printers). Even LOTR starts off in the same style but changes as it progresses, reverting back to something more akin to his natural "draft" style of writing. Make of that as you will. But there is no denying Tolkien made a conscious effort to have the Hobbit in a certain style - akin to a children's fairytale. It appears as if he started out intending the same for LOTR, but then changed his mind "in project," and for what ever reason, never went back to change the style of the start to match the style of the rest of the book. I am aware that the content of the Silmarillion and the volumes of back scrappy draft backstory came first – but I am also aware that such content was being repeatedly re-worked and rewritten, with several versions existing, none of it ever “finished” or published by Tolkien himself.

The first work published was the Hobbit and that appeared to be the style he had chosen to go with (since that is what he actually sent to printers). Even LOTR starts off in the same style but changes as it progresses, reverting back to something more akin to his natural “draft” style of writing.

Make of that as you will. But there is no denying Tolkien made a conscious effort to have the Hobbit in a certain style – akin to a children’s fairytale.

It appears as if he started out intending the same for LOTR, but then changed his mind “in project,” and for what ever reason, never went back to change the style of the start to match the style of the rest of the book.

]]> By: Ceylerionhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/09/24/gandalf-the-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-1792 Ceylerion Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:10:10 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=265#comment-1792 Ah, I think here we are verging into the tricky area of the purists and what does and does not belong. Personally I would welcome such expansions. The Hobbit after all can be perceived as a kind of introduction to LOTR (they are very clearly linked after all) and there are many events that are influential to the War of the Ring that occur around or just after the Hobbit. But if you wish the Hobbit story to stand alone as a single story without context to the world around it or without mentioning the events transpiring at the same time... (such as Sauron being banished from Dol Guldur) if to you these aren't relevant to The Hobbit story then, yes I can see why those that think that way would have a problem. Ah, I think here we are verging into the tricky area of the purists and what does and does not belong. Personally I would welcome such expansions. The Hobbit after all can be perceived as a kind of introduction to LOTR (they are very clearly linked after all) and there are many events that are influential to the War of the Ring that occur around or just after the Hobbit.

But if you wish the Hobbit story to stand alone as a single story without context to the world around it or without mentioning the events transpiring at the same time… (such as Sauron being banished from Dol Guldur) if to you these aren’t relevant to The Hobbit story then, yes I can see why those that think that way would have a problem.

]]> By: Eldorionhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/09/24/gandalf-the-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-1790 Eldorion Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:27:18 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=265#comment-1790 @Ceylerion, >>Tolkien evolved his writing style as he went and in Lord of the Rings (and the Silmarilion... FYI, Tolkien wrote a lot of The Silmarillion _before_ The Hobbit. TH was a departure from his normal style. >>If that is typical of the “changes” we can expect I say bring it on! While I agree about the wargs, I can see why there is cause for concern about changes. The filmmakers' desire to integrate TH with TLotR (see the "Del Toro wants five part Middle-earth movie" post on this blog) and to expand the story to include events other than the Quest are such reasons. :( @Ceylerion,
>>Tolkien evolved his writing style as he went and in Lord of the Rings (and the Silmarilion…

FYI, Tolkien wrote a lot of The Silmarillion _before_ The Hobbit. TH was a departure from his normal style.

>>If that is typical of the “changes” we can expect I say bring it on!
While I agree about the wargs, I can see why there is cause for concern about changes. The filmmakers’ desire to integrate TH with TLotR (see the “Del Toro wants five part Middle-earth movie” post on this blog) and to expand the story to include events other than the Quest are such reasons. :(

]]> By: Eldorionhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/09/24/gandalf-the-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-1789 Eldorion Wed, 16 Dec 2009 06:24:37 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=265#comment-1789 @BEREN, Jackson did not "have" to add elves, especially since, as you point out, they were busy fighting their own battles. TLotR is _not_ about Elves, it is about the coming of the Dominion of Men, and showing elves at Helm's Deep runs counter to this theme. @BEREN, Jackson did not “have” to add elves, especially since, as you point out, they were busy fighting their own battles. TLotR is _not_ about Elves, it is about the coming of the Dominion of Men, and showing elves at Helm’s Deep runs counter to this theme.

]]> By: Ceylerionhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/09/24/gandalf-the-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-1783 Ceylerion Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:07:06 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=265#comment-1783 About "Kiddyfying" the story. Erm, you have read the Hobbit lately haven't you? It IS kiddyfied! It is a children's story and is written as such. A very good children's story that appeals to adults and children alike, but a children's story none the less. Tolkien evolved his writing style as he went and in Lord of the Rings (and the Silmarilion and Unfinished Tales that he himself never finished/published) his style becomes very very different, but in the Hobbit and even in the first chapter or two of LOTR, the narrative is very much in the style of a fairy tale or children's bedtime story. So if they DO kiddyfy it... as much as I would NOT want that to happen... it WOULD be appropriate. And yes, they are looking at changing things. Things like changing the hyena Wargs from the movies that weren't the Wargs from the books at all, back to the wolf like creatures they should have been in the first place. How can that be a bad thing? If that is typical of the "changes" we can expect I say bring it on! :) About “Kiddyfying” the story. Erm, you have read the Hobbit lately haven’t you? It IS kiddyfied! It is a children’s story and is written as such. A very good children’s story that appeals to adults and children alike, but a children’s story none the less. Tolkien evolved his writing style as he went and in Lord of the Rings (and the Silmarilion and Unfinished Tales that he himself never finished/published) his style becomes very very different, but in the Hobbit and even in the first chapter or two of LOTR, the narrative is very much in the style of a fairy tale or children’s bedtime story.

So if they DO kiddyfy it… as much as I would NOT want that to happen… it WOULD be appropriate.

And yes, they are looking at changing things. Things like changing the hyena Wargs from the movies that weren’t the Wargs from the books at all, back to the wolf like creatures they should have been in the first place. How can that be a bad thing? If that is typical of the “changes” we can expect I say bring it on! :)

]]> By: BERENhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/09/24/gandalf-the-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-1737 BEREN Sun, 06 Dec 2009 21:03:45 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=265#comment-1737 Hi marijn, about the elves in the battle of helms deep, jakson had to bring them in because he wanted to make it more holywood also he made Legolas's wish come true, in the book he said that he wished he had a hundred mirkwood archers so Jakson made his wish come true, also the elves where part in many battles in the book where Lorien got attached 3 times and mirkwood got atacked from Dol Guldur... So Jakson didn't had enough space and time to show them in a separate story so he had to bundlle them together, hope this helps Hi marijn, about the elves in the battle of helms deep, jakson had to bring them in because he wanted to make it more holywood also he made Legolas’s wish come true, in the book he said that he wished he had a hundred mirkwood archers so Jakson made his wish come true, also the elves where part in many battles in the book where Lorien got attached 3 times and mirkwood got atacked from Dol Guldur… So Jakson didn’t had enough space and time to show them in a separate story so he had to bundlle them together, hope this helps

]]> By: marijnhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/09/24/gandalf-the-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-1731 marijn Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:32:19 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=265#comment-1731 yeah just stick to the book, ok if you want more action into a a part ok, buth dont change the story like in two towers by adding elves to the battle of helmsdeep. Lord of the rings is one of the best books of the last cenury so the storry should be good engouh. yeah just stick to the book, ok if you want more action into a a part ok, buth dont change the story like in two towers by adding elves to the battle of helmsdeep. Lord of the rings is one of the best books of the last cenury so the storry should be good engouh.

]]> By: pwhalehttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/09/24/gandalf-the-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-1706 pwhale Tue, 24 Nov 2009 06:27:16 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=265#comment-1706 Just want to point out for the sake of accuracy that there were a great many Maiar, perhaps originally hundreds, to come to the physical world at its creation. Gandalf was one of the five Istari, wise maiar given a special role, and other famous Maiar include the Balrogs and Sauron himself. Just want to point out for the sake of accuracy that there were a great many Maiar, perhaps originally hundreds, to come to the physical world at its creation. Gandalf was one of the five Istari, wise maiar given a special role, and other famous Maiar include the Balrogs and Sauron himself.

]]> By: Cameronhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/09/24/gandalf-the-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-1689 Cameron Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:43:36 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=265#comment-1689 I hope Del Toro doesn't stuff this up and use scenes that best fit a video game or use characters that are designed to sell McDonalds toys and what have you. Just stick to the damn book for a change, it will make for a cracking movie/movies. Please Del Toro, don't mess with it for the sake of little kids, it is a masterpiece that can't be re-done anytime soon if you ruin it. I hope Del Toro doesn’t stuff this up and use scenes that best fit a video game or use characters that are designed to sell McDonalds toys and what have you. Just stick to the damn book for a change, it will make for a cracking movie/movies. Please Del Toro, don’t mess with it for the sake of little kids, it is a masterpiece that can’t be re-done anytime soon if you ruin it.

]]> By: rocc5150http://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/09/24/gandalf-the-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-1682 rocc5150 Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:49:11 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=265#comment-1682 I'm really hoping to see Radaghast in the movie. As it is said he was part of the white council and if Jackson is smart he will include the goings on of Gandalf and the white council in the hobbit movie as it was where Gandalf went when he left Thorin and company in the Mirkwood. I’m really hoping to see Radaghast in the movie. As it is said he was part of the white council and if Jackson is smart he will include the goings on of Gandalf and the white council in the hobbit movie as it was where Gandalf went when he left Thorin and company in the Mirkwood.

]]> By: DanielHhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/09/24/gandalf-the-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-1664 DanielH Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:14:55 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=265#comment-1664 he is already messing with the design of the creatures etc--think he gona kiddie-fy it like lucas did with second trilogy of wars he is already messing with the design of the creatures etc–think he gona kiddie-fy it like lucas did with second trilogy of wars

]]> By: DanielHhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/09/24/gandalf-the-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-1663 DanielH Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:13:45 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=265#comment-1663 will del toro ruin this ? should just be jackson will del toro ruin this ? should just be jackson

]]> By: Culurienhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/09/24/gandalf-the-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-1662 Culurien Sat, 07 Nov 2009 11:23:21 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=265#comment-1662 Ahh.. thanks roan and greymantle for the info :) Ahh.. thanks roan and greymantle for the info :)

]]> By: christinehttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2009/09/24/gandalf-the-grey/comment-page-1/#comment-1649 christine Thu, 15 Oct 2009 13:27:54 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=265#comment-1649 i cant wait for the the movie to come out. i think that peter jackson really brings it to life i cant wait for the the movie to come out. i think that peter jackson really brings it to life

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