Comments on: Del Toro Wants 5 part Middle Earth Movie http://the-hobbit-movie.com/2008/10/08/del-toro-wants-5-part-middle-earth-movie/ News and gossip surrounding the hobbit movies Wed, 23 Mar 2011 06:27:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: kathttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2008/10/08/del-toro-wants-5-part-middle-earth-movie/comment-page-2/#comment-2299 kat Sat, 22 May 2010 05:46:33 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=107#comment-2299 @E, May I just say this; YES! I agree! @E, May I just say this;

YES! I agree!

]]> By: kathttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2008/10/08/del-toro-wants-5-part-middle-earth-movie/comment-page-2/#comment-2298 kat Sat, 22 May 2010 05:42:17 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=107#comment-2298 @Francisco, The only way I can think of them doing the scenes with Beorn effectively would be somewhat similar to what they did with the animals in the Narnia movies. I would hope they would make it different enough for it to still feel like Middle Earth and not Narnia. I am VERY excited to see Beorn, though! Whoever they cast as beorn, he's gonna be a beast of a man, gruff but kind... I can't wait! @Francisco, The only way I can think of them doing the scenes with Beorn effectively would be somewhat similar to what they did with the animals in the Narnia movies. I would hope they would make it different enough for it to still feel like Middle Earth and not Narnia. I am VERY excited to see Beorn, though! Whoever they cast as beorn, he’s gonna be a beast of a man, gruff but kind… I can’t wait!

]]> By: Samwisehttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2008/10/08/del-toro-wants-5-part-middle-earth-movie/comment-page-2/#comment-2160 Samwise Thu, 25 Mar 2010 06:35:22 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=107#comment-2160 I am absolutely sure the break between the movies will occur with the "Barrels Out of Bond" scene. Del Toro has said that the emotional focus of the films will be on the relationship between Thorin and Bilbo, and that the break will occur at a point of development in this relationship. It is when Bilbo rescues the dwarves from the Elven King's dungeons that Thorin finally accepts Bilbo as a good thief, recognising Gandalf's trust in the hobbit. This dialogue presents an emotionally satisfying end to the first part. The last shot of the film I expect will be Bilbo riding the barrel in the river out of the edge of the forest, revealing a landscape of the east, with the Mountain looming in the background, in a similar fashion to the shot at the end of The Two Towers. A break at this point is also a logical place for the films' running times, as content before and after this section is around the same amount in the book. The relationship between Thorin and Bilbo will be further developed, of course, in the second movie by the complication around the Arkenstone, Thorin's anger at Bilbo and finally their reconciliation at Thorin's death. Breaking the film after Smaug's death is a ridiculous notion, as it leaves not enough content for the second movie, and far too much for the first. Smaug will be saved for the second part. I am absolutely sure the break between the movies will occur with the “Barrels Out of Bond” scene. Del Toro has said that the emotional focus of the films will be on the relationship between Thorin and Bilbo, and that the break will occur at a point of development in this relationship. It is when Bilbo rescues the dwarves from the Elven King’s dungeons that Thorin finally accepts Bilbo as a good thief, recognising Gandalf’s trust in the hobbit. This dialogue presents an emotionally satisfying end to the first part. The last shot of the film I expect will be Bilbo riding the barrel in the river out of the edge of the forest, revealing a landscape of the east, with the Mountain looming in the background, in a similar fashion to the shot at the end of The Two Towers. A break at this point is also a logical place for the films’ running times, as content before and after this section is around the same amount in the book. The relationship between Thorin and Bilbo will be further developed, of course, in the second movie by the complication around the Arkenstone, Thorin’s anger at Bilbo and finally their reconciliation at Thorin’s death.
Breaking the film after Smaug’s death is a ridiculous notion, as it leaves not enough content for the second movie, and far too much for the first. Smaug will be saved for the second part.

]]> By: Scotthttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2008/10/08/del-toro-wants-5-part-middle-earth-movie/comment-page-2/#comment-1921 Scott Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:53:12 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=107#comment-1921 Since you guys seem to be hardcore Tolkien fans I suspect many of you know this, but for some who may not...In the original book release of the Hobbit, Gollum gives the ring to Bilbo as a reward for answering the riddle. This became a problem when LOTR was penned so it was rewritten that Bilbo "found/stole" the ring. Further proof of this (if you don't believe me) is that the ring simply made Bilbo invisible in the Hobbit. It was never a burden until LOTR. Enjoying reading all this so I thought I'd put in my 2 cents. Peace. Since you guys seem to be hardcore Tolkien fans I suspect many of you know this, but for some who may not…In the original book release of the Hobbit, Gollum gives the ring to Bilbo as a reward for answering the riddle. This became a problem when LOTR was penned so it was rewritten that Bilbo “found/stole” the ring. Further proof of this (if you don’t believe me) is that the ring simply made Bilbo invisible in the Hobbit. It was never a burden until LOTR. Enjoying reading all this so I thought I’d put in my 2 cents. Peace.

]]> By: smithyshttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2008/10/08/del-toro-wants-5-part-middle-earth-movie/comment-page-2/#comment-1669 smithys Wed, 11 Nov 2009 21:42:39 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=107#comment-1669 2 Parts to the Hobbit movie, the first part ending with the slaying of Smaug? That doesn't leave much of the story left to tell in Part 2 does it? The battle of 5 armies immediately after the death of Smaug and then it's all over. I guess we'll see, but hope they can pull it off. With the computer graphics technology available today, watching these books that we've all enjoyed in the past come to the big screen is such a real joy. 2 Parts to the Hobbit movie, the first part ending with the slaying of Smaug? That doesn’t leave much of the story left to tell in Part 2 does it? The battle of 5 armies immediately after the death of Smaug and then it’s all over. I guess we’ll see, but hope they can pull it off. With the computer graphics technology available today, watching these books that we’ve all enjoyed in the past come to the big screen is such a real joy.

]]> By: Gregory Trotterhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2008/10/08/del-toro-wants-5-part-middle-earth-movie/comment-page-2/#comment-1665 Gregory Trotter Mon, 09 Nov 2009 07:33:55 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=107#comment-1665 @dontjackit, Gads,I agree with about 18 percent of what dontjackit said, but that's only because I understood about 18 percent of what he said. Gads, man...learn to write! @dontjackit, Gads,I agree with about 18 percent of what dontjackit said, but that’s only because I understood about 18 percent of what he said. Gads, man…learn to write!

]]> By: jameshttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2008/10/08/del-toro-wants-5-part-middle-earth-movie/comment-page-2/#comment-767 james Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:37:43 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=107#comment-767 Merry Christmas Paul (and to all) Merry Christmas Paul (and to all)

]]> By: paulhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2008/10/08/del-toro-wants-5-part-middle-earth-movie/comment-page-2/#comment-764 paul Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:33:01 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=107#comment-764 happy christmas guys, have a good one Paul happy christmas guys, have a good one

Paul

]]> By: jameshttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2008/10/08/del-toro-wants-5-part-middle-earth-movie/comment-page-2/#comment-755 james Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:47:09 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=107#comment-755 Paul, You are right on about the Spiderwick Chronicles. I think the distinction between Eragon and Spiderwick is that Spiderwick is an original take on fantasy themes whereas Eragon is a retread. Have you joined the forum yet? we will probably have to go over some of the material already covered in this thread for new arrivals. But there are already some good conversations happening. If you change your username let me know please. Paul, You are right on about the Spiderwick Chronicles. I think the distinction between Eragon and Spiderwick is that Spiderwick is an original take on fantasy themes whereas Eragon is a retread. Have you joined the forum yet? we will probably have to go over some of the material already covered in this thread for new arrivals. But there are already some good conversations happening. If you change your username let me know please.

]]> By: paulhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2008/10/08/del-toro-wants-5-part-middle-earth-movie/comment-page-2/#comment-751 paul Sun, 14 Dec 2008 22:42:14 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=107#comment-751 yep tis true what you say about terry brooks, total tolkien rip off at first but they way I see it if JRR is no longer with us then Id like to see someone else doing that kinda stuff well, and brooks is the best of the bunch at it. Yeah Eragon didnt really do it for me at all, in fact the spiderwick chronicles was better and thats a kids movie yep tis true what you say about terry brooks, total tolkien rip off at first but they way I see it if JRR is no longer with us then Id like to see someone else doing that kinda stuff well, and brooks is the best of the bunch at it. Yeah Eragon didnt really do it for me at all, in fact the spiderwick chronicles was better and thats a kids movie

]]> By: Olohttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2008/10/08/del-toro-wants-5-part-middle-earth-movie/comment-page-2/#comment-750 Olo Sat, 13 Dec 2008 18:03:36 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=107#comment-750 yes i agree that the storyline could use some work. his sequal novels are a bit better but of course they are not in the same league as tLotR. About the (lotr) movies though i believe PJ did the best job possible. i shudder to think what they would look like if someone like Uwe Boll made them... yes i agree that the storyline could use some work. his sequal novels are a bit better but of course they are not in the same league as tLotR. About the (lotr) movies though i believe PJ did the best job possible. i shudder to think what they would look like if someone like Uwe Boll made them…

]]> By: jameshttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2008/10/08/del-toro-wants-5-part-middle-earth-movie/comment-page-2/#comment-749 james Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:00:24 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=107#comment-749 Hi Paul, I remember running to the store to buy the first edition of the fiirst Shannara book. I loved the Hildebrandt illustrations. While I enjoyed the book I also remember thinking it was a real Tolkien ripoff. However over the years the series has really developed its own story and Brooks has become a really imaginitive writer. I am particularly fond of Terry Brooks Magic Kingdom for Sale series as it is wholly original and has a great sense of humor. Hello Olo, If Jackson can't get Christopher Tolkien to allow the use of the necessary materials to do the second Hobbit movie right it would be an interesting idea to deal with the backstory of Gandalf and Saruman, but that may also require using material that C Tolkien still maintains the rights to. Really everything hinges on resolving the C Tolkien suit. If not,then Jackson and DelToro will be forced to either develop their own story line or stetch the material they do have the rights to. While whatever they came up with would still be excellent entertainment, it would still be a serious disappointment to we Tolkien Fans. As to Eragon, It is not so much that the movie was bad (I was actually mildly entertained) its just that the story was so derivative I found it a bit boring. Paolino is a talented young writer but I am hoping he will eventually find his own voice as did Terry Brooks. I hope you don't take offense because I understand that it's nice to be able to share something you love with others. Hi Paul, I remember running to the store to buy the first edition of the fiirst Shannara book. I loved the Hildebrandt illustrations. While I enjoyed the book I also remember thinking it was a real Tolkien ripoff. However over the years the series has really developed its own story and Brooks has become a really imaginitive writer.
I am particularly fond of Terry Brooks Magic Kingdom for Sale series as it is wholly original and has a great sense of humor.
Hello Olo, If Jackson can’t get Christopher Tolkien to allow the use of the necessary materials to do the second Hobbit movie right it would be an interesting idea to deal with the backstory of Gandalf and Saruman, but that may also require using material that C Tolkien still maintains the rights to. Really everything hinges on resolving the C Tolkien suit. If not,then Jackson and DelToro will be forced to either develop their own story line or stetch the material they do have the rights to. While whatever they came up with would still be excellent entertainment, it would still be a serious disappointment to we Tolkien Fans. As to Eragon, It is not so much that the movie was bad (I was actually mildly entertained) its just that the story was so derivative I found it a bit boring. Paolino is a talented young writer but I am hoping he will eventually find his own voice as did Terry Brooks. I hope you don’t take offense because I understand that it’s nice to be able to share something you love with others.

]]> By: paulhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2008/10/08/del-toro-wants-5-part-middle-earth-movie/comment-page-2/#comment-748 paul Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:48:19 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=107#comment-748 well thats the thing about cs lewis that puts me off, its ok and all that but if one veers from tolkien theres alot better out there than leiw, try dragolance, shannara or david gemmel well thats the thing about cs lewis that puts me off, its ok and all that but if one veers from tolkien theres alot better out there than leiw, try dragolance, shannara or david gemmel

]]> By: Olohttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2008/10/08/del-toro-wants-5-part-middle-earth-movie/comment-page-2/#comment-747 Olo Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:26:28 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=107#comment-747 you guys really no wut u r talking about. lm a big fan of LotR and i cant wait 4 the hobbit movie. for me i would like to see background on the wizards. i would really like to see a younger gandalf and saruman get along. hey has anyone read the eragon series? i highly recomend it. Yes the movie was terrible but the books are great. you guys really no wut u r talking about. lm a big fan of LotR and i cant wait 4 the hobbit movie. for me i would like to see background on the wizards. i would really like to see a younger gandalf and saruman get along. hey has anyone read the eragon series? i highly recomend it. Yes the movie was terrible but the books are great.

]]> By: jameshttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2008/10/08/del-toro-wants-5-part-middle-earth-movie/comment-page-2/#comment-746 james Fri, 12 Dec 2008 05:32:39 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=107#comment-746 Hi Show, You are right about Tolkien keeping his Chistianity out of TLOTR. I should give youfair warning about Narniaweb. I didn.t know what I was in for. I am under siege and could use your help. The Christians have hijacked Narnia and use dishonest debate tactics. You will find my posts in the forums mentioned in post # 82. Meanwhile,I have registered my user name Gandalfs Beard at Ady's new Hobbit forum. Hope tocontinue the conversation there. Hi Show, You are right about Tolkien keeping his Chistianity out of TLOTR. I should give youfair warning about Narniaweb. I didn.t know what I was in for. I am under siege and could use your help. The Christians have hijacked Narnia and use dishonest debate tactics. You will find my posts in the forums mentioned in post # 82.
Meanwhile,I have registered my user name Gandalfs Beard at Ady’s new Hobbit forum. Hope tocontinue the conversation there.

]]> By: adyhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2008/10/08/del-toro-wants-5-part-middle-earth-movie/comment-page-2/#comment-745 ady Wed, 10 Dec 2008 20:32:27 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=107#comment-745 The forum is now up and Middle Earth names are strictly on a first come first grab basis ;-) http://the-hobbit-movie.com/forum/ The forum is now up and Middle Earth names are strictly on a first come first grab basis ;-)

http://the-hobbit-movie.com/forum/

]]> By: Showhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2008/10/08/del-toro-wants-5-part-middle-earth-movie/comment-page-2/#comment-744 Show Wed, 10 Dec 2008 19:27:08 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=107#comment-744 Show mikeyshow69@yahoo.com Adding a forum sounds good. I am in the process of trying to sign up on that Narnia one, but the site is not sending me the confirmation email. That and while I have read the narnia books, I am a much bigger Tolkien fan over Lewis. While both writers let their faith influence their work, Tolkien hid it much better. Show
mikeyshow69@yahoo.com
Adding a forum sounds good. I am in the process of trying to sign up on that Narnia one, but the site is not sending me the confirmation email. That and while I have read the narnia books, I am a much bigger Tolkien fan over Lewis. While both writers let their faith influence their work, Tolkien hid it much better.

]]> By: adyhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2008/10/08/del-toro-wants-5-part-middle-earth-movie/comment-page-2/#comment-743 ady Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:25:45 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=107#comment-743 send your emails to me at ady@the-hobbit-movie.com and I will pass them on. Alternatively, I am in the process of adding a forum to the site so if you want to wait......... Will also need a Mod or two if anyone is interested send your emails to me at ady@the-hobbit-movie.com and I will pass them on.

Alternatively, I am in the process of adding a forum to the site so if you want to wait………

Will also need a Mod or two if anyone is interested

]]> By: paulhttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2008/10/08/del-toro-wants-5-part-middle-earth-movie/comment-page-2/#comment-742 paul Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:49:03 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=107#comment-742 lol well thats easily daelt with I dont mind giving mine out so feel free to mail me guys stephenson.paul@talk21.com lol well thats easily daelt with I dont mind giving mine out so feel free to mail me guys

stephenson.paul@talk21.com

]]> By: jameshttp://the-hobbit-movie.com/2008/10/08/del-toro-wants-5-part-middle-earth-movie/comment-page-2/#comment-741 james Wed, 10 Dec 2008 08:48:01 +0000 http://the-hobbit-movie.com/?p=107#comment-741 Paul, it was Derek Jacobi I was wondering about, but you're right. I'll juat google him. Show, You're spot on. The other Wizards if they appear at all , it will be as extras perhaps seen along side the others but no real defined role.. Paul, it amazes me how much you echo my own thoughts. I felt EXACTLY the same as you about Celeborn and Galadriel And Show is right on the money with why that is so. The elves are the Vulcans of middle earth, Before Spock was a twinkle in Roddenberry's eye. Show, you are also astute to point out that while the Hobbits are the center of the books, it is always Gandalf that instigates the action. I think we"ve covered the key events that should link the 5 films together. Every thing hinges on getting Christopher Tolkien back to the table. I'd like to be able to talk to you guys more Paul and Show but I think we've played out most of this Hobbit discussion. I'm not sure how to continue our talks without giving the whole world our E-mails. Do either of You guys like Narnia? I am posting on Narniaweb.com under the name Gandalfs Beard in the forums Do You Think the Chronicles of Narnia are Christian and the forum on Skeptics vs CSLewis. If you join (its a free site) you could meet me there. They have a private message center and perhaps we could exchange e-mails there. Also some quite lively debates between Christian Fantasy fans and Pagan Agnostics like myself. Let me know what you think about that. Ciao for now Paul, it was Derek Jacobi I was wondering about, but you’re right. I’ll juat google him.
Show, You’re spot on. The other Wizards if they appear at all , it will be as extras perhaps seen along side the others but no real defined role..
Paul, it amazes me how much you echo my own thoughts. I felt EXACTLY the same as you about Celeborn and Galadriel And Show is right on the money with why that is so. The elves are the Vulcans of middle earth, Before Spock was a twinkle in Roddenberry’s eye. Show, you are also astute to point out that while the Hobbits are the center of the books, it is always Gandalf that instigates the action.
I think we”ve covered the key events that should link the 5 films together. Every thing hinges on getting Christopher Tolkien back to the table.
I’d like to be able to talk to you guys more Paul and Show but I think we’ve played out most of this Hobbit discussion. I’m not sure how to continue our talks without giving the whole world our E-mails. Do either of You guys like Narnia? I am posting on Narniaweb.com under the name Gandalfs Beard in the forums Do You Think the Chronicles of Narnia are Christian and the forum on Skeptics vs CSLewis. If you join (its a free site) you could meet me there. They have a private message center and perhaps we could exchange e-mails there. Also some quite lively debates between Christian Fantasy fans and Pagan Agnostics like myself.
Let me know what you think about that.
Ciao for now

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