More Hobbit Speak From Del Toro
Published on: 29th April, 2008
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“My message is simple: If you don’t think Peter did a fabulous job, very likely you won’t think I will. If you think he did, I will do my best to make you proud of me.” Del Toro talking to MTV
I’d say that could be classed as putting your cards on the table 
Its good to see he’s not going to be hung up on trying to please everyone and some of the ideas he’s already suggested are enough to show its certainly going to be an interesting few years of film making.
Other news he mentions that Andy Serkis (shown right) returns as Gollum and as we already know but it was nice to get it confirmed, Sir Ian Mckellen will be back as Gandalf. As I’d suggested though, he is worried Sir Ian Holm might be too old for the casting of Bilbo but won’t let on who he has in mind for the part.
Regarding doing the story in 2 parts he says he wants to nail The Hobbit in the first movie and then move into the era where times start to turn dark and Sauron grows in strength. Del Toro calls it a “very interesting period in time” as civil war starts to break out. He and Peter Jackson have outlined the story they want to tell and how they want to tell it but no firm plans as yet.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it were the second Hobbit movie that has them the most excited. It will be the telling of that story that they will have almost free reign.
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Sounds good to me, without serkis and ian mkkellan the movie wouldnt be the same
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NICE! If the movie really does happen, it might actually shape up to be (dare I jinx us all?) as good as the LOTR movies themselves.
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i dont know if they will be better than lotr duncan but maybe… We can hope! but lotr was a masterpiece it’d be hard to outdue the LOTR movies
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i dont know if they will be better than lotr duncan but maybe… We can hope! but lotr was an awsome trillogy it’d be hard to outdue the LOTR movies
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i dunno bout that… but i hope the movies will turn out good!
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why did it post 3 comments! i only wanted one but it kept saying it didnt post?? now i have 3!!
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“Andy Serkis (Shown Right)” You had me in tears LOL.
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I don’t know why people are debating whether The Hobbit movies will be better than LOTR. It’s just another part of the same story. I don’t want The Hobbit to be better. I just want it to be of the same quality that LOTR was.
I am ecstatic that Andy Serkis and Ian McKellan will be returning. I’m hoping that Hugo Weaving will return as Elrond. I wish Ian Holm could return as Bilbo, but I think it unlikely.
I am just dying to see Smaug. But please, cast an unknown actor to do the voice. As much as I liked Dragonslayer, I just couldn’t get past Sean Connery’s voice. Don’t get me wrong, his voice is nice, but it is so distinctive, I just kept thinking of James Bond and it really pulled my focus.
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another thought:
A part of the story in The Hobbit takes place in Rivendell and the House of Elrond. Will they be recreating Rivendell?
I hope so.
Peter Hyams reconstructed the spaceship Discovery from 2001, for his movie 2010.
Bag End will have to be recreated as well.
And this brings up another question: Will Weta be returning to do the props? And Ngila Dickson the costumes?
When you think about it, the scenery, set designs, props and costumes all had their own distinctive look and as they are all part of the Middle Earth we have come to see on the screen, it should be the same.
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From what I’ve heard Del Toro intends to work with Jackson and Weta on the film, so if I had to guess I would say the re-visited places wont be too different. Of course a little different should be expected since it is about 60 years earlier.
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WOW! woozle wozle! i cant wait!
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OMG! im so happy that this is happening!
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Speculation as to some of these storylines that may enter into the two Hobbit movies when produced
There’s quite a bit of info out there from the Silmarilian and Unfinished Tales about the time just before, during and after the hobbit. This concerns the chasing out of Sauron from his fortress at Dol Guldur in Mirkwood. Gandalf disappeared in the middle section of the Hobbit to meet with the white council and finally they go against Sauron and his minions (e.g. other evil things drawn to him from the dark places of the world.) 91 years before Gandalf had made the discovery that it was Sauron at Dul Guldar and not one of his servants. At a white council meeting after this discovery Saruman had talked the council out of action, for he secretly hoped the ring would seek for its master his rival, and that he could somehow intercept it. By the time the second meeting occurs Saruman fully agrees with ousting Sauron, using the full strength of the council. Saruman has discovered by this point that Sauron power is growing, that he knows the ring was lost in the River Anduin and that his growing strength would soon be too formidable even for the white council. The battle with the Council also distracts Sauron from interfering with Bilbo’s Thiefs mission to the Lonely mountain and the ensuing battle and slaying of Smaug the last of the dragons, who were brought into the world by the first dark lord (Morgoth) in the first age. At last they Drive Sauron out of Mirkwood, but he has prepared himself well. He feights flight from middleearth, but instead returns to his fortified stonghold in Barad-dur, there he raises up the dark towers again.
Gandalf when visited Dul Guldar 91 years before was a prisoner of Sauron, although Sauron did not realise he was one of the wizards (Istari). There in a deep pit Gandalf met the dieing dwarf king Thrain II. Sauron had taken his dwarf ring (one of the seven) from him and discarded him. Now he was dieing and bereft without his ring. He gave Gandalf a key to a secret dwarf entrance to the lonely mountain (Erebor) and a map of Moria both of which Thrain asks Gandalf to give to his son Thorin before he dies. When Gandalf gives these to Thorin years later he finally convinces him to take Bilbo along. Gandalf can foretell that the mission to the Lonely mountain and all that ensues from it will not occur without Bilbo.
Finally there are other side stories that could be told in the two hobbit movies: Thorin using the map to return to Moria (the mighty dwarf kingdom of old) and the subsequent battle, siege and death. The trapping and guarding of Gollum by the Elves, and how he eluded the Elves, Orcs and Aragorn in his escape. Arogorn and the other rangers of the north and there efforts to keep a watch on the Shire. How Sauron discovered eventually from Gollum of the whereabouts of the Ring. Susequently once he discovered where the Shire was he sent the nine (ringwraiths) who were unclad and invisible but for the fear and dread that they filled the hearts of men with as they journeyed unbeknown even to the wise. Once they were in the region of the little people they were clad and given horses.
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“If you don’t think Peter did a fabulous job, very likely you won’t think I will.”
If this what we have in store I would start worrying now. This statement makes no sense.
I think Peter did a fabulous job and I don’t think Del Toro can do a fabulous or even mediocre job. This is not his genre…see Hellboy..comic books are his genre
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Everyone seems to be terrified that del Toro will not be as spectacular as Jackson. The fact of the matter is - if there was one problem with the LoTR movies, that was Jackson himself.
The casting of the movies was excellent (with the exception of Hugo Weaving as Elrond). The acting was very good, with a few exceptions. The set design, visual effects (especially Gollum), and music were also very good. But Jackson took a superb supporting cast and made a superb book into three movies that were merely good.
While the plot of the movies followed the books fairly closely, the movies did not feel anything like the Lord of the Rings trilogy that Tolkien wrote. Also Jackson removed several beautiful points of suspense that were in the books (such as Where is Gandalf? when he did not show up in the Shire) and added far too many unnecessary ones.
Peter Jackson had a difficult job to do and a lot of expectations to fulfill, and of course I’m not saying I could do better. He did a pretty good job - but I myself was hoping for more than pretty good. It’s not as if he’s leaving impossibly huge shoes for del Toro to fill.
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I totally agree, my feeligs about the LOTR movies are “better something than nothing”. It was too hollywoodish, many classic stupid hollywood moments with moves and dialogs so even retarded people could understand what just happened, it really bothered me. Why there are so great scenes missing? Why are there scenes I did not read in the book? Why the trolls bodies acts so physically unnatural? Why the orcs are sooooo ugly? Especially the deformed general in Return of the King? I don´t care PJ loves horror movies, why he has to bother the audience with that? Why bloody Faramir acts completely different from the book? Why Arwen has shoulders like a body builder? Talking about her, who invented that superb idiotic scene where she meets Aragorn using her sword and saying those stupid words, when everyone news they are in a hurry and in deep trouble with the nazguls? What the hell is doing the army of the death in Minas Tirith? Why is Gandalf looking so frightened in Hobbiton when he returns and act like a mad man when he asks Frodo Is it secret, is it safe? What the elfs are doing in Helms Deep? Why they are looking like SS troops when arriving to Helms Deep? Does anyone read anything about skateboards regarding Legolas in the book? Etc. Etc….I could continue till next day…sure it was a hard work to do, sure it needs courage to get involved into a project like that, but it could be better with the spirit of the books in the movies…it was a chance to avoid tipical hollywood cliche´s. Why directors can´t be truth to the books? Why they HAVE TO show to the world they have their own “vision”? It can be done, watch Shogun…
Regarding the cast - I like Viggo is so deep into his character, I personally admire his job and I like him as an actor…but..well, ok, no comment of how he looks like, we all have our own Aragorns in our heads, but at least his voice could have been a little more deeper…more I´m the man here”
Written this, let´s face HObbit movies - I would agree with one story splitted in two, although it is much storter story than LOTR, one tiny book and one 3 hours movie (3:30 in dvd extended version) would do just fine. But why the second one??? Nothing important happened in those 50 years between Hobbit and LOTR..That about Dol Guldur and Thrain happened BEFORE Hobbit. And the White Council and attack to Dol Guldur happened in the same time as the events of Hobbit. The chasing of Gollum by Aragorn happened just before starting LOTR. So again - we have here 50 years with no interesting story at all!! So what would Aragorn and Arwen do in the second Hobbit movie? The only thing I can think of that they´ve met and dating, but she looked the same and I doubt Liv Tyler will look the same as 10-12 years ago, and Aragorn - He would be in his 30ties, which mean Viggo vould have to look as a young man in his 20ties and that is impossible, I wouldn´t buy it with those two actors playing younger versions of themselves 10 years after they filmmed LOTR…but again the question is WHY they would be in the story? So we can see how they met? That is not enough I´m afraid…
I would be happy if they stop to make money with famous faces from LOTR, focus on just the Hobbit story (and deal with the childish tone of the book, if they wants it to be a part of the LOTR movies) and if tehy want to make more money - there are plenty of great stories in SILMARILLION…..
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i can already tell that the hobbit will be exceptional , considering how well done the lord of the rings were .
i agree that the may not need to make a movie about the second one, but wat about the battle of the five armies, thats an important part of the movie and the book, and also they should be adding in the isildur part where the whole movie is based on him and his journey to defeat sauron, i think its a good idea becuz wen we go back and watch the lord of the rings movies we will understand it even more… also the whole middle earth movie that del toro wants to break into 5 parts…..that would indeed be a loonnnggg movie but do they hav enuff info to really make it work…..i think that the hobbit set would be great! i am deffinately excited to see if this movie happens, and if it does i hope it is a hit like lotr… i bet many people also have high hopes about this too
if peter jackson directs it i think it will be a huge hit … like most of his movies
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